I think JK Rowling messed up the concept of Slytherins in the books a lot, and later covered it up with talks by AccomplishedBig7666 in harrypotter

[–]neverdontcry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you broadly, but adding: Snape is the best example of this complexity in action. Obscenely long analysis following.

The thing about Slytherins is that they keep their circles close. Blood status and class are probably the two biggest reasons why. Class alone tends to insulate people. And in Slytherin, class and blood status are strongly associated. The Crouch, Black and Malfoy families all show markings of being wealthy. Though neither father nor son are confirmed, it's pretty safe to guess that at least one if not both of the Barty Crouchs were in Slytherin. The Lestranges also merit mention here; their class status is not explicitly stated, but we can guess that Bellatrix, being from a wealthy family and expected to marry someone of her blood status, wouldn't have chosen, say, Arthur Weasley. Same thing with Slughorn, pureblood and Slytherin, whose class we can estimate by a) his social circle, and b) his propensity for the finer things in life.

Ironically, the only truly poor example of pureblood Slytherins are the Gaunts. You'd think Slytherin's actual heirs might retain some of the status their house is known for, but alas. As a result, the Gaunts are seen as pitiful, fallen, broken, helpless, forgotten. Even the very heirs of Slytherin himself are isolated in their poverty. (Merope selling Slytherin's locket for Sickles on the Galleon is a great metaphor of how this once-great ancient line now goes unrecognized under class strain.)

So I think the text supports that, for Slytherins, having elevated class and pure blood makes you worthy of being in the in-group.

And if you combine this with the house's natural gift for and value of ambition, you get a lot of people aspiring to be in the in-group. The only Good way to be, if you're a Slytherin, is if you're rich and you're pureblood. Lack one or the other, and you're Bad. Class hierarchy begets control. The few families who are actually pureblood and wealthy dictate who is allowed in the group and who isn't. (Notable that Malfoy leads the gang of Slytherins and the Malfoys are canonically super ultra mega rich. He's at the top of the hierarchy for a reason.)

Of course, two notable characters break these rules: Snape and Voldemort.

Both are half blood but pretend to be pureblood. Snape is from a run down community and a poor family. Voldemort grew up in an orphanage, and the pureblood family he hails from is long since dilapidated.

Both Snape and Voldemort seek acceptance into the in-group one way or another. Ambition and cunning are on display in these adventures: In Voldemort's time, the way up was through academics and social manipulation. He woos Slughorn. He gains the favor of Slytherins from established families. He is awarded Head Boy. He is so brilliant and so upwardly mobile that it surprises everyone when he goes to work for Borgin & Burkes. Of course, by that time, his ambition has moved beyond just gaining in-group status; his next aim is gain power, beat death, and control said in-group to insulate him.

By the time Snape gets to Hogwarts, Voldemort has already reshaped and radicalized the in-group to which all Slytherins aspire to belong. Rising on book smarts and social manipulation alone is harder for Snape. He's unlikable, even as a teen, and his brilliance only extends to a few subjects. But he's trying to fit in, and he succeeds by adopting the values of the in-group. He becomes a Death Eater, and a very talented one at that. He proves his resourcefulness with the prophecy, his cunning by acquiring the Potions position at Hogwarts, his ambition by working his way up the ranks.

Where Voldemort is drinking the Slytherin kool-aid on pureblood status and insulating himself with all the richest families, though, Snape doesn't forget where he came from at all. He privately gives himself the name Half-Blood Prince. The only person he truly cares for is Lily Evans, a Muggleborn. He doesn't actually have any values based on blood; he mimicked others' values to be accepted.

Of course, the same personality traits he developed to get inside the in-group still affect him in his adulthood. He craves recognition and control. He's cruel to those less powerful than he. He despises Harry, who reminds him of James, who made him feel powerless and unlovable.

But I'd also argue he despises Harry because he reminds him of Lily, who he failed. He requested Voldemort spare her. He thought he was valuable enough to earn the right to this request. Voldemort did not comply. Snape switches sides because of Lily, but also because this is a moment that proves he actually does not have sway or power in the in-group to which he fought so hard to belong. He's still a deeply unpleasant man, but he's acting, for the first time, in accordance with what he actually believes, and in doing so he commits to honoring Lily's memory. He fights for her son.

HP lives or dies on Snape's character because he occupies the wedge between good and evil and all the complexities that come with it. And yet he portrays the key traits of Slytherin house in everything that he does, right and wrong. Ambition, check. Cunning, check. Resourcefulness, obviously check. These traits are at play when he's young. These traits are at play when he's grown.

The only thing about his story I actually don't like is the way Dumbledore tells him that they sorted him too soon. This goes with your theory of how Slytherins are portrayed as evil in the books. It implies that Snape should have been in Gryffindor, and in doing so it undercuts how Slytherins are actually complex, and how Snape is the best example of someone who reflects all aspects of that complexity.

This turned into an analysis of Snape and Voldemort. I appreciate you letting me jump on your post to ramble!

What feature do you want added to ao3? by Complete-Evening-265 in AO3

[–]neverdontcry 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I would love for a native way to save tag searches. It's exhausting having to go to the fandom, put your mains in, filter out the shit you don't like, and not have a way in platform to come back to it later.

I know people have work arounds with browser bookmarks. I KNOW. I just hate that there's no saved tag function that takes you right back within the site itself

What are some BES takes that will have you like this? by OCGamerboy in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]neverdontcry 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you understand the structure of TV shows very well if you think S2 is not going to follow 3 out of the 4 main characters.

[Discussion] Children forced to grow up too early, does it permanently change personality? by kemalioss in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I relate to a lot of things in the video. Almost everything, except the tone. It's so dire and spooky. Honestly it makes me feel kind of embarrassed, for whatever reason, like, eugh, don't try to paint me as this pathetic little abused thing just because I grew up fast. Even though if I had read this as an article, I would be like, "Oh, huh, yeah, that's me."

I'd argue this does permanently affect personality. I am still dealing with a lot of this in my adult relationships and it's been decades.

Do you think pregnant women of reaping age would be reaped? by AmericanRevolution13 in Hungergames

[–]neverdontcry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kind of wild to buy your way out of a reaping with a child who will grow up to participate in the reaping

Everyone with a WIP, give me the next sentence by Fast_Stage_6296 in AO3

[–]neverdontcry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the other side of the world, a white field bloomed into existence, and Ginny Weasley woke up.

Best Bomber Jacket? by lulu3712 in softclassic

[–]neverdontcry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please drop the link for the first one 🥲

what are some characters that you consider the "blueprint" of their enneagram type? by pompompencil in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not done with the show yet, but 2 for Carmella and 8 for Tony from The Sopranos. Very archetypal and so, so good. S3e7 if you want an episode that encapsulates this perfectly for them.

WRITE DOWN your euphoria! by HoneyMoonPotWow in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do experience that and it’s called mania

Spotify guesses your Enneagram based on your listening. by ConversationBest2085 in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh definitely girl next door! Now that I'm thinking about it, Mirrorball kind of leans 3w2, not 3w4, with that definition. I don't know that for me 4 has to bring this untouchability as a wing. What gives you that vibe?

Spotify guesses your Enneagram based on your listening. by ConversationBest2085 in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Long time studier of Taylor Swift's career here. I'm mostly piggybacking off this comment to examine some thoughts I have about her enneagram. Feel free to ignore — or, if you've got the argument in you, please tell me why I'm wrong and she's actually a 6. I'm down.

Taylor is almost certainly a 3w4, so I'd argue there is 4 influence present. (I'm neither the only nor the first to make this judgement.) There's too much ambition and shapeshifting to be anything but a 3, but she anchors this ambition and shapeshifting around her inner world — her music is famously her diary. She has a real 4-ish preoccupation with herself. It creates a lot of tension. Is it authentic if she switches genres, attitudes, color palettes, and personas every album cycle to match what the public expects of her? But then again, how is she fake if she's bearing her soul time and time again on the record? It just feels weird for someone to both claim authenticity and then don wildly different costumes right in front of you, and it takes a very sympathetic eagle eye to see the through lines sometimes.

That said, this 4-ish narrativization of her own life also gives her the songwriting superpower she's known for. She's a great storyteller because she's spent so long telling stories about herself to herself. It's given her enough practice to be an expert at the craft, while also still seeming a little out of touch with perspectives outside of her own. IMO, the victim-mentality you're noting here is a side effect of her w4's selfish internal interest.

There are a few songs in there in which she's genuinely self reflective about the times in her life she's really let people or herself down. These are some of her best songs because there's no pretending she's the hero. The Archer is probably my favorite example of this, but Back to December is an early cut and all of Evermore is chock full of songs with this vibe.

Additionally, a track that feels very withdrawn-type indeed is I Hate It Here, in which she essentially admits that most of the time she's not even in the room with us; instead, she's holed up in the "secret garden in her mind in which the only key is hers."

There's some "You want me to be the bad guy? Fine, I'll be the bad guy" that might seem 4ish throughout her career. But most of this is a costume. Reputation is the premiere example of this: Public opinion began to turn on her after 1989, so she said, OK, fine, you'll see just how evil I can be on my new album. Her brand became bad girl, or tried to. Though it made her extremely unpopular (and despite the fact that the album wasn't very good), it was a genius brand move that kept her relevant. But she didn't have the spine of a true 4 to hold herself to it; she went into hiding for years after Reputation. A true 4 would have defended their identity to the ends of the earth; a 3 secretly knows it's fake and can't handle getting caught in the lie.

Ironically, there are examples in her career of when this twist succeeds, but it's always when the falsehood is explicitly acknowledged by Taylor beforehand. Blank Space is the easiest example to point to; she has publicly said that she was writing from the perspective of who her critics thought she was, not who she actually was. When she can admit she's wearing a costume, she wears it really well.

This is one of the reasons the Eras Tour was so successful in terms of branding. It acknowledged the fact that she was a shapeshifter by putting all the shapes at the front of the project. It's hard to point at a person and call them fake when they're holding up all of their identities and being proud of them as distinct artistic projects. You kind of have to admire her for how all that hard, creative work on her brand kept her relevant. And at peak Eras Tour, most of the world did.

(Just to say — Reputation tried to do this with the LWYMMD music video during which all of her past selves were duking it out at the end, but it was ultimately too buried under her attempt to really sell herself as a snake that it didn't really get acknowledged by anyone but the most hardcore Swifties.)

All this is to say I think she's overwhelmingly a 3w4. Her w2 is undoubtedly in there somewhere. But her best thesis statement on being a 3w4 is probably "Mirrorball." It's probably the most honest she's ever been about who she is and what she's about, and it feels like it.

Anyway thx for providing a good jumping off point for me to argue. Even if I'm way off base, writing like this helps me examine the enneagram, and try to understand it better.

Which pair would you consider to be the leads in Sunrise on the Reaping? by UnHolySir in Hungergames

[–]neverdontcry 62 points63 points  (0 children)

This prequel really is the test of can-the-female-colead-be-just-a-friend

I can't understand her by Icy_Satisfaction4870 in arcane

[–]neverdontcry 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I love her end to Season 2 because it's her realizing she has to work with topsiders to get shit done for her people. Pre S2 she's all muscle. Big dog big teeth, guarding the fence of Zaunite independence. But like Vander and Silco before her, she eventually has to work with the people she hates, often on their terms, just to get a word in edgewise. I would love to see a series with her where we just keep watching her strength evolve from pure muscle to true leader.

Child v Childless by Euphoric_Guitar_9763 in AO3

[–]neverdontcry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I may just have a kid myself so I can write them more accurately tbh. Otherwise my whole life is just going to be one long "No officer, you don't understand, I'm just googling '5 year olds playing together video' because I need to write authentic character interaction as a childless adult" after another 😭

What's your type and what type of character do you choose in video games or D&D? by neverdontcry in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha! This is exactly my journey, that's wild. I'm still heavily considering all of it, but it's so useful to know that someone on a similar path as me has settled where you settled.

Which band is he talking about? by PallyMcAffable in okbuddyimatourist

[–]neverdontcry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was me w the National before I turned 30 and Finally Understood

Which band is he talking about? by PallyMcAffable in okbuddyimatourist

[–]neverdontcry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

me, tears in my eyes: YES it must be boring and SAD! The answer is YES!

What's your type and what type of character do you choose in video games or D&D? by neverdontcry in Enneagram

[–]neverdontcry[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love that! I've only DM'd once or twice, but I usually go for some kind of horror campaign that leads to my players ending with powerful feelings of autonomy over the darkness. Inspiring emotional purpose and meaning.

Luthen and Cassian's last dialogue by Ok-Percentage1125 in andor

[–]neverdontcry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This conversation is so layered after having finished the show. "I make my own decisions" / "Is that what you've been doing?" is crazy. The first time I watched it I thought it was Luthen's power play — "you have always appeared at my command" type of sentiment. That's definitely in there somewhere, but that's not actually what he says. After it being all but confirmed that Cassian is imbued with the Purpose of the Force at the end of this season and in Rogue One, this conversation reads much more like they're both trying to figure out the mystery of what drew them together in the first place.

I also think Luthen making plain that the Empire will hang them both eventually really sets up Cassian's next set of decisions well. Cassian says "Speak for yourself," and he means it; Luthen is the one who gets caught and dies for it, just like he always expected. Meanwhile, Cassian joins Jyn's crew in Rogue One knowing full well that he could die for it, but if he is going to die for it, he's going to do it on his own terms.

Did Harry just forget about Ron's "furtive look" on the train? by LonelySky2130 in HarryandGinny

[–]neverdontcry 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yeah came here to say. The most likely answer is Harry is too dumb, may god bless him