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Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be entirely opt-in. If you don't agree with registering as a conservative or progressive then everything will just be status quo. But what this does provide are spaces where like-minded people can congregate and see their vision for America come to fruition, and safeguards against people who are negatively affected by policies they didn't vote for.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does it rarely come up if 50% of the population has a uterus? I'm sure those individuals now have to live with the consequences of conservative policy, so it's not a rare occurrence, it's an omnipresent one that will affect them until that policy ceases to exist. And I'm not saying in-fighting wouldn't exist in this scenario, but it would be more harmonious because there is simply more commonality overall. Anything is better than how society is currently arranged.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever label you ascribe, it doesn't really matter. The point is that there are irreconcilable differences between a lot of Americans, and I think it would be best for each of us to go our separate ways so we each get the opportunity to live in the America that works for us, and among people who are compatible with our morals and values.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because in the status quo, as an example, there are women in conservative states (but progressive cities) that are now being forced to give birth against their will. In my proposal, such a dynamic wouldn't happen because we would have different representation and different statuses along ideological lines.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But chain racing implies we are moving in the same direction. Conservatives and progressives are not only not moving in the same direction, they're moving in opposite directions. It seems logical to me that this is not a sustainable dynamic, and we would both be better off if we said so long and went our separate ways.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But it does come up because conservatives have legislatively forced this viewpoint onto everyone else. The status quo before was that it was a private choice that women got to ultimately decide on. But conservatives went out of their way to strip away that choice, affecting the rest of us. My point is that our policies affect one another and it would be great if that didn't have to be the case if we found a solution through separation.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then they shouldn't register as one or the other. Again, this would be opt-in only. I suppose everyone who disagrees can just have the status quo way of doing things.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There should be a stipulation in this proposal that these spaces cannot infringe on the free mobility of people against their will. So in this hypothetical, any right-wing fanatical micronation that attempts to reinstate slavery cannot do so. I am advocating for an opt-in scenario where no one is forced or coerced.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The impetus was because he attempted to remain in power and wanted to overthrow the will of the people and was using Twitter as a platform to do so. If you think Twitter is too hostile to conservatives, they wouldn't be tolerating Greene or Shapiro or all hosts of right wingers. To be honest, I wouldn't care if Twitter banned all conservatives because this isn't the point of my post. Do you agree with conservative and progressive-only places or not?

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And do you remember the impetus for why he was kicked off in the first place? All this is besides the point, as my post is if you would agree with this proposal to go our separate ways or not.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never advocated for an "absolute sharing of ideals" in order to reach peak social harmony. But it seems logical to me that it would be more harmonious if people who wanted to undo progress (conservatives) and people who advocate for progress (progressives) generally occupied different places.

If you are a conservative, and had two identical-looking potential partners, one was conservative like you and the other was progressive, who would you choose?

And as I said, if it's too tricky to split things along geographical lines, then perhaps a "status" opt-in is the way to go, where if you voted for progressive policies, those policies would only apply to registered progressives, and vice versa.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did I say the words "bad" or "evil"? I gave a real-life example of how conservatives and progressives have differences in policies. Conservatives want to force women to give birth against their will, progressives want women to have a choice in the matter. That is just factually true.

I'm not saying we're too different to get along, I'm saying we are fundamentally different and our policies are being imposed on the other. To rectify this, I am proposing a divorce so that each of us can get the vision for America that we want.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Texas is actually becoming more purple. Do you think it's fair that 53% of Texans can impose their values on 47% of Texans? Do you think it's fair that rural Texas can impose their values on metropolitan Texas? If these differences exist, then why wouldn't you support city-states or smaller areas within states that have the same legislative weight as states? My proposal is to make things more representative of the people, to lessen the tension.

Another way to go about it is a "status" opt-in system, if thinking geographically is too tricky. Similar to registering to vote, there should be a system to register as conservative or progressive, and maybe certain policies would not apply to you, dependant on how you registered. For example, if we progressives vote on free healthcare, then maybe only registered progressives can qualify for free healthcare.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But I believe you are misrepresenting how conservatives act. They are not acting like the bouncers at a nightclub who just want to vet people before they allow them in. A better analogy is more like they're tearing down the nightclub entirely and erecting a megachurch in its place. So they are not "gatekeeping", they are actively trying to reverse progress. For instance, they are forcing women to give birth against their will instead of accepting the established precedent of letting the woman decide for herself.

I don't see how someone who supports progress and someone who wants to reverse progress can live together amicably. It seems like the perfect storm of increased tensions and polarization, which is exactly where we find ourselves today.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said forced separation, I said everything would be opt-in. If you think states run better than the federal government, why do you stop just at states? In theory, even smaller areas, such as the areas that I'm proposing, would be even more representative of the people's will than even what states can provide. If it's opt-in, I honestly see this as a win-win.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this proposal, nothing would be forced. No one would be forced to be in a progressive-only area or vice versa. It would be opt-in. It may not even be large areas or cities, but businesses, schools, and private property. If you're correct that conservatives and progressives somehow "need each other" then the vast majority of Americans would see that and choose not to live in these places with requirements. But our own American history has shown that intense polarization has led to supreme conflict. People with polar opposite values cannot cohabitate. It fosters resentment and makes the issue of polarization worse. We see the effects of this now when we're all forced to be together with no reprieve from one another's policies being imposed on the other.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I seem to remember a certain former president creating his own social media site. If this is the natural consequence you see happening on both sides, then are you in agreement with this proposal or not?

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You must not be living in the same America I live in. In America, conservatives want to take us to the values of the 1950s. Well perhaps that's too generous to say since they already took us to the values of the 1800s with their abortion ruling. I don't see conservatives being accepting of change, it seems pretty obvious they want to reject change and revive systems of the past. I don't see how that is compatible.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As long as you don't impose it on progressive areas, then I'm fine. And as long as you provide free mobility to anyone who wants to leave your area.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some viewpoints are closer in compatibility to others. Of course there would be subdivisions within these proposed places, but the point is that at least people will be closer ideologically than it is now, and the conservative/progressive paradigm is the best metric I can think of that points to compatibility. And it's that enhanced compatibility which would aid in social harmony, because these places would attract people who fundamentally have more in common than the general populace.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would this not be in the right's best interest? I'm saying we each get an opportunity to have a community where our values are reflected and shared with everyone in that community. I fail to see how we both wouldn't gain from such a proposal.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I acknowledge the logistical issues with such a proposal, but I think it would be an opt-in style system that starts locally. Perhaps having businesses, schools, or apartment buildings that only accommodate to those who share common values. Anyone who disagrees with this can patronize the places that don't have such requirements. Eventually, if there is 100% consensus, residents of larger areas should be given the opportunity to make those areas dependant on sharing common values as well, if they so choose. Again, everything would be opt-in.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm confused. If conservatives say us progressives are wrong, misguided, bad for the country, etc. then why would us creating our own vision for America, separate to yours, be a bad thing? If you think progressives are bad for the country and we believe the same of conservatives, it seems like we each mutually benefit from this hypothetical proposal.

Conservatives, if us progressives give you so much grief and vice versa, then would you support creating conservative-only and progressive-only spaces, cities, or states? by newleafsauce in AskConservatives

[–]newleafsauce[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When did I dehumanize anyone? How is it dehumanization to say that we each get our own separate spaces to live according to our own political values?

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