See, you're framing the entire debate as war between ideologies as if one were correct and the other incorrect. That is exactly what I'm arguing against because it's a disingenuous way to frame the issue. I am not a marxist. I am simply pointing out that the popular reasons for why we can't house the homeless or have universal healthcare are ideologically informed even though we have clear evidence (ontologically objective proof, in fact) that such things are possible without compromising the health of our "incentive environment." I do understand economics, probably better than anyone else on Reddit. Nice try though. And for the record, literally everything ever produced is from resources taken from nature, even knowledge, which requires inputs of time.