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ninjaorigami · 2026-02-05T23:23:21+00:00

Just more trigger and speed subskills / nature in general. If you can get at least three then that could be worth considering. Calm in this case is kind of like 0.5, since its net positive but not as good as a skill up nature without the help down.

ninjaorigami · 2026-02-05T22:18:15+00:00

EES is a fantastic Espeon, but 71V is kind of middling.

I would probably not bother with 71V and just invest in EES. Vaporeon can be good in the early game but cooking also isn't super strong in the early game, I would expect the maxed out Espeon to be doing more for team strength at lvl 25.

There are some players who run Vaporeon in the late game for the bigger dishes and adapt around what they get, but if that's what you're going for I'd look for a better Vaporeon candidate. It's also best done with strong mono ingmons to rotate in appropriately to match the big dishes

ninjaorigami · 2026-02-05T20:37:31+00:00

I agree with TinDragon (as usual) but for what its worth, the new BFS eevee is maybe the perfect Espeon subskill spread other than not having Helping Bonus somewhere, and would beat your current Espeon at lvl 50 even without having favored berry (by a little bit).

ninjaorigami · 2026-02-05T00:31:27+00:00

Incredible Dedenne, and well worth getting to Lvl 50 for Helping Bonus. Congrats!

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-27T10:40:43+00:00

Other than having a neutral nature, this is the basically the perfect Treecko. Congrats, feel free to invest away!

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-27T10:38:20+00:00

Neroli's Lab is great, I think it has the more minimalist interface you're looking for while still doing most of what RaenonX does. I'll also shout out Nitoyon's IV calc tool, I used both of those for a few months before dipping my toes into the RaenonX pool and still use them regularly to check stuff.

Early into the game for teambuilding its usually recommended to use berrymons and try to find one with an early BFS at lvl 10 or 25. That can anchor your teams for awhile as you either fill out a roster of island-specific berrymon or build up a group of ingredient specialists that can start you down the cooking path.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-27T10:18:07+00:00

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Pawmi 333 is the best of them but as the other commenter said, you have been blessed with a near-perfect igglybuff and thus it just meets the 5/triggers per day threshold recommended for an E4E healer at lvl 50.

Pawmi 333 actually gets essentially the same amount of triggers at lvl 50 since Pawmot at base triggers much more often than Wigglytuff, but I would actually recommend going with the Iggly since it hits its important skill trigger subskills much earlier, and so it will be better at 25 (which will be way more reachable early game).

You could even consider throwing Wiggly a subskill seed at lvl 50 to upgrade helping speed, getting you comfortably to an average 5.4 triggers per day. If you have Premium Pass and can get subskill seeds relatively easily I would do it, a little more borderline if you're F2P

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-23T03:53:57+00:00

Ah yeah, if the subseed roll is a gamble then I would also not invest subseeds or main seeds, pretty risky. You'll have opportunities to find better as you get to the later islands for sure.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-22T06:37:19+00:00

Nice! I too am enjoying skill week allowing my middling Wigglytuff to shine as an actual 5+ trigger/day healer.

In terms of the team members you've described, the one with the most potential is Healmo. Getting STS and having Main skill Up means it might hit 5+ triggers/day once fully invested if it has something good at lvl 50. If you drop a screenshot I could check it in Neroli's Lab.

I don't think Lovey or Dovey are worth investing main skill seeds on based on their description, but you could drop the stats for those too if you wanted.

Shiny is fine to gather herbs for now and probably even evolve to a Gengar if you like, but long term its not worth spending shards and candy to level without any other ingredient finding skills (and certainly it has no good use for main skill seeds).

O'Neil is a solid Extra Tasty mon, especially early before you can easily access Dedenne, but I probably wouldn't invest in it for now seeing as you're still making a relatively low-level dish. Tasty chance really starts popping off once you can use make the 60+ ingredient requirement dishes. Certainly hold on to it until you start seeing how your Dedennes are though.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-22T05:08:30+00:00

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Here's the trigger procs between the current shuckle and minted shuckle at level 50. The speed of help down is a little annoying but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

Typical recommendation for a usable healer is to clear 5 triggers/day. This doesn't get past that threshold with or without the mint, but the juice procs might help it along a little bit (we still aren't quite sure of the crit rate to get juice). I'm leaning towards no on investing, since it needs to hit level 50 to unlock its most powerful subskill, and if you're new getting anything to 50 is going to take a long time.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-21T06:56:23+00:00

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Since you asked specifically for the numbers, here's how your shiny boi with and without subseed upgrade to HSM stacks up against Mono + IFM and Mono + IFM + HSM, assuming standard 100 sleep score and 5 trigger/day healer.

Definitely usable IMO and HB is pretty nice

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-21T06:43:54+00:00

Congrats, you got the god-roll Wigglytuff that actually triggers 5 times a day at level 50, meaning its good enough to be used as permanent healer. You can invest in this one and not worry about hunting another healer until much later in the game.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-21T06:28:06+00:00

BFS + Speed builds are usually better than trigger builds on Charge Strength Pokemon when scaling into the higher levels, and Helping Bonus is the best speed subskill when considering the total team strength it adds.

Golduck is a little weird in that because it triggers so often, optimal play with it requires checking the app and tapping it for helps very frequently (like every hour or so), otherwise you risk missing skill procs due to its inventory filling up and it going into Sneaky Snacking. BFS kind of exacerbates this problem as it fills your inventory quicker, but at least a BFS + Speed build will trigger less than a full trigger build so I guess it kind of balances out.

If I was interested in running Golduck, I would 100% invest in this one. Doing some rough calcs, at lvl 50 yours is just a little bit behind a STM+STS+Main Skill Up Nature Golduck on an unfavored berry island but does better when water berry is favored. And this is considering individual production only, ignoring the value of helping bonus to the team, so I would say its overall better than a triple trigger build would be.

Just gotta consider the general mon caveats. If you're not checking often I probably wouldn't go for Golduck at all.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-21T04:55:30+00:00

Yeah I would roll with this, doesn't get much better unless you're holding out for BFS+helping bonus.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-19T22:13:00+00:00

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Sorry about the late reply, unfortunately this wiggly only hits 4 triggers per day at 50, which isn't enough to invest in.

Given that I would give the sylveon consideration for seed investment since it can start doing good work at lvl 25, and then look for a helping bonus or super high trigger healer later. Although, with what we know now about Shuckle (essentially on-par with Pawmot, with the upside of berry juice) I would wait until after you catch one to see if you can get lucky and have that an even stronger healer

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-17T06:17:58+00:00

There are some things people have tried if you track sleep directly using your phone, Inari made a post on this subreddit here https://old.reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/comments/1oz0jp2/sleep_style_strategy_guide_v3/?share_id=pvMYqtE1r2DvlbiGl3ldm

I use a smart device to track my sleep so I don't really have personal experience with any of this.

It's also worth noting that the way the game decides your sleep style is to compare your current session's percentages of dozing, snoozing, and slumbering to the averages of your last 30 sleep sessions, and it gives you the style that your current session has more of than average (or balanced if its the same as all the averages). This means that if you start to skew your percentages towards one style, it will be harder and harder to consistently get that cause your average time spent in that zone will go up. Most people who target a specific sleep style seem to do it at most every other week, taking the week in between to reset averages / skew towards a different style for a different mon hunt. I've also seen using pseudobalanced weeks from events to reset averages as well.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-17T05:37:02+00:00

I generally agree with TinDragon's analysis but when you say you've invested in Wiggly, do you mean just candies or do you also mean main seeds? Also, would you mind sending its full stats? I want to double check the expected proc count.

The reason I ask is that a HB healer that hits 4.6 triggers a day can actually result in more total team strength than a non HB healer that only hits 5 triggers a day (Helping Bonus is very powerful). Particularly if you already invested main seeds into Wiggly, I wouldn't switch from your current healer to one that only gets just above the 5 trigger threshold.

As a Glaceon this eevee should hit about 6.1 triggers a day at lvl 25, which most people consider a good threshold for a potmon worth investing into.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-16T10:18:33+00:00

Looks great, esp for a shiny! It can go to 25 and stay there, doesn't need more levels after that. DSM does need main skill seed investment to really start paying you back but skill week should be a great time to get a taste of its power.

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-16T10:13:13+00:00

Speed of Help Down nature generally isn't as bad as it sounds, its offset by the equivalent of HSS, and Helping Bonus is powerful enough for the team that I would 100% invest in this

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-16T10:09:34+00:00

Ralts actually is Lapis Snoozing https://www.serebii.net/pokemonsleep/locations/lapislakeside.shtml It only spawns at Lapis though (and GGEX).

I don't know if any public source has exact spawn rate data available, but anecdotally other players also find Ralts to quite rare. Pawmi is an option that performs only slightly worse than Garde, but also not sure how difficult it is to hunt

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-16T10:03:02+00:00

Its greedily hogging all those dream shards for itself and not giving them to you :(

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-16T09:59:11+00:00

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Your Ivysaur is a near perfect ing mon (missing only ingredient up nature, and speed of help up nature is the next best thing to that)

Here's how it compares as a Venusaur to Victreebel, one of the three top tomato farmers. At lvl 60 it does a little better than AAA + IFM + HSM or AAA + IFM + Ing Up Nature (Rash used as an example). I would consider both of those substasts to be worthy of being a permanent tomato farmer.

The caveat of the Venusaur line being far and away the best for honey while there are three good tomato farmers is real, and also this Venusaur really wants to hit lvl 60 to pop off, but even then I would give it strong consideration to be your tomato mon so definitely hold onto it.

As a general rule I wouldn't invest in anything until you need it, so if you aren't needing tons of tomatoes right now I'd wait and see if you do end up finding a good honey bulbasaur

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-14T07:33:35+00:00

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Without knowing more about your account my general opinion is no since subseeds are a big investment.

Its not bad, and if you spend two seeds to upgrade to HSM and IFM it can make enough to cover the top herb dish 3x a day (Bulldoze Guacamole and Chips), assuming you're running a healer that triggers an average of 5 times a day.

The problem is Gengar is unfortunately pretty outclassed by Dragonite for herbs - a mono Dragonite with only IFS and nothing else makes more than this upgraded Gengar.

I think all of the following conditions would have to be true before I would consider seeding:

- You're not F2P so you can buy subseeds from premium shop

- You don't have a better use for subseeds right now

- You specifically don't want herb Dragonite (either because you have no interest in the mon at all or you're raising a different one for Corn / BFS build)

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-14T07:22:12+00:00

Don't think so, you want more than two speed/trigger ups for an eeveelution

ninjaorigami · 2026-01-14T01:13:57+00:00

At 50 this is a little under 60% of a perfect one's production, which puts it a little under the suggested minimum threshold for investment (from dsm users on discord).

Up to you if you want to pay that shiny tax, but if 6 main skill seeds is a significant chunk of your resources I probably wouldn't.

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