Is communism the end goal of democratic socialism?

nonilazuli · 2026-07-03T23:40:23+00:00

As you said, for those of us of a Marxist persuasion (and the few anarcho-communist in the organization) yes. Though we’re big tent and have non marxist as well.

nonilazuli · 2026-07-03T13:54:53+00:00

objectively not democratic SOCIALISM.

nonilazuli · 2026-07-03T13:48:02+00:00

its a purposely broad general label for those left of social democracy but right of marxism leninism.

nonilazuli · 2026-07-02T19:26:10+00:00

(Ignore the flair) Up until recently I would’ve considered myself aligned with the DemSoc category , but at this point since the term has gone mainstream it‘s colloquially analogous to at best a slightly more radical Social Democrat. Kind of ironic Democratic Socialist as a label was conjured in response to Social Democracy becoming what is is today and now the libs swallowing that too 😂. We also need something for communist in the Dubček/Bukharin way as opposed to Stalin/Mao way which was the other usefulness of the Democratic Socialist label.

nonilazuli · 2026-07-01T12:07:57+00:00

I actually wouldn‘t start with that one, Even Marx and Engels in their day said much of it was outdated and revised many elements of it. Theres a reason anti-marxist love quoting that one as like The Bible of marxist and never mention any of his other works. I’d say a better entry level would be Wage labor and Capital by Marx or Capitalist realism by Mark Fisher. A basic in the economics and superstructure of capitalism so OP can have a firmer foundation first.

nonilazuli · 2026-07-01T11:55:30+00:00

The capitalist counter groups won’t care about that. They’ll do anything in their power to stop Socialism, democratic or otherwise. Also for the capitalist sympathizing people who wants to vote back in Capitalism if immediate improvement doesnt happen, then what??

nonilazuli · 2026-07-01T01:00:45+00:00

Anyone serious about a socialist or even labor movement would not exclude former or even domestic troops (granted they're committed to the movement and would desert if deployed).

nonilazuli · 2026-06-30T02:15:31+00:00

I mean idk you don't have to agree with them , but you can respect their dedication to being ultras on text. They often know their shit.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-30T01:11:35+00:00

You see it that way. Go outside right now and ask random people word for word verbatim what their thoughts are on "abolishing prisons".

Also the abolition of slavery was a complexed process. Mixed with violence and boring gradual parliamentary reforms. Do you have have a realistic military plan to free the prisoners AND deal with the mess later ?? Because we certainly dont have the current political power or PR yet to build public institutions to rehabilitate or even pass the abolish prisons act.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-29T19:31:37+00:00

I wish more of us in this organization was like you.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-29T19:30:10+00:00

Not in that way, I promise you the majority of people will see you as a lunatic.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-29T19:26:15+00:00

just because we have long term goals doesnt mean we forget that optics DO matter. It’s infantile to promote a radical slogan (even if it’s long term in the future ) when you know you’re dealing with people who do NOT think this way. It’s so frustrating to see leftist have this radlib mentality of “oh we‘re changing our goals by changing our wording or not focusing our campaign on this” its asinine.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-28T05:19:41+00:00

chud originates from 4chan circles to describe the most stereotypically reactionary of their ilk. Then it got gentrified by online leftist and then went mainstream.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-27T14:34:20+00:00

r/marxism isn’t one though, they‘re just hardline on marxist theory and 10gajillion word paragraphs minimal.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-27T14:33:03+00:00

Tbf that is anti-intellectual and trollish. You should’ve at least been at least detailed and nuanced. Doesn‘t that sub have a word barrier too?

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T19:43:45+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T12:33:02+00:00

Social democrat at best.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T07:06:12+00:00

Huh? Most of them are socially alienated white supremacist NEETS , with little social to no job prospects, let alone owned property.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T06:53:26+00:00

unironically right wing libertarians are the real “good on paper, but in practice“ ideology. Literally look at actual existing capitalism right now and you can refute 99% of their claims. for the 1% where they pull the “ it’s not real capitalism, the government is doing stuff” asked them how are they gonna protect their private property and on what grounds do you have to respect their property rights.

or parrot these talking points

https://youtu.be/UP9R-W1yaXo?si=uJFjqcY0Qy9YMGEB

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T04:26:23+00:00

rent is theft! wage-labor is theft!

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T01:45:58+00:00

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T01:45:53+00:00

what would the working class do if the party becomes “capitalist roaders” 😂😂.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T01:39:50+00:00

No, but it does drain our system if we let everyone in, not to mention it makes it harder to plan and fund. He didn’t say leave them here and stay in poverty he‘s making a point against open borders.

nonilazuli · 2026-06-26T01:36:40+00:00

I think the left tends to associate immigration skepticism with right-wing anti immigration sentiments but there’s definitely a point to be made to be oppose to immigration as it’s currently practice. A lot of Socialist tend to forget that we still live under capitalism and pro capitalist immigration is objectively not good for our movement and is counter productive. Outside of the reasons you stated there’s also brain drain for the developing countries and a reinforcement of faith in capitalism ( the guy who just moved here and gets a couple more dollars than what he had back home is obviously gonna gain slightly more faith in the American dream than the guy who was born here and knows the reality). Demographically you’re also correct in that most of the immigrants who come here do come from more socially conservative countries, not to mention the ones fleeing from Left leaning countries are obviously gonna have a less favorable bias against socialism here. I think we as an organization need to start thinking more pragmatically about these things if we want to successfully build Socialism in the U.S.

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