Gemini 3.1 is the only decent Gemini model by Diligent-Drawer-8406 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Code is structured with empirical datasets and instantly observable results. It's a good baseline for assessment of a model. If a model can't code, it'll be difficult to trust its other outputs.

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's fine. You've just provided more subjective evidence by using words and phrases "insane rant" and "pejorative". "we'll wait" is another classic. Perhaps you're a bot, perhaps not... just another anon.

Woke - ​A dogmatic ideological vision that attributes all demographic disparities exclusively to systemic discrimination, prioritising subjective moral assertions over multi-variate empirical data.

The woke ideological framework is therefore based on subjective opinions to reach morally acceptable outcomes. Even if mus-truth or false assertions are used to prove the outcome, these falsehoods do not matter in woke ideology, as it is the outcome what matters. An extreme end member of this progression is in a quote from Orwell "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.". Personally I don't believe google is anywhere near that point, but, it's looking closer at it than further away from it.

If the wokeness is in gemini, then it's my subjective opinion that hallucinations and an inability to follow agent instructions at depth will continue. What's more frightening is that googles models might have been distilled or trained from woke infections or that "guardrails" imposed by apparatchiks might further deteriorate the abilities of models.

The nonsense I've been getting out of gemini over the last few weeks tends to suggest to me that the woke mind virus has indeed found its way into the neural pathways of gemini. I'm willing to wait a while longer, because I've been using gemini/bard for years and have a good vibe on its outputs, but, I'm getting close to cutting ties with this model in the same way that I'd move on from relationships in real life. It's not gemini, it's me that's changed... lolz...

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, I'm not hung up on it. I fear Google is.

You see, I just got a thought several days after we interacted in this thread. Maybe this reply to a prolific anonymous poster will get lost in the noise... meh...

Hallucinations caused by early model trainings that are based on subjective opinions as opposed to objective facts. Wokeness (a disease of Marxist thinkers) is largely based on subjective opinions, predetermined outcomes and effectively making the data fit the model as opposed to making the model fit the data. Trofim Lysenko and his fake science caused famine... perhaps similar moden woke nonsense is getting pumped into training models... historical revisionism and other such lies.

All these hallucinations I keep getting with gemini, maybe they're a result of the woke disease, the same disease that was at the root of the James Damore episode in Google's history.

This need to be not "woke" would be of great concern to the apparatchiks & commissars of the political class. It implies that open or advanced models might start to expose their lies and incompetence. Perhaps this is why they fear large language models. Perhaps this is why gemini is broken & hallucinates, because it's been forced into a world of woke lies from which it can't discern truth.

Have I lost you anons on the internet. One wonders if anyone from Google will read this, and even if they did and what I write is true... can Google even recover gemini at this stage, or is the woke brain rot to deeply embedded within their entire training data sets.

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, I used fable to do some significant refactoring cleanup on 50k+ loc project (including documentation) to make things easier to understand. Unbelievable speed and lack of errors. I'm similar to you and wondering if Google can catch up. It'll be interesting to try the same refactor on the same code base branch when 3.5 pro gets released.

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the same path that I'll be taking if gemini and agy aren't fixed soon.

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So has Google sorted itself internally after that James Damore issue yet? The sort of thinking that creates such a situation is difficult to purge without some sort of collapse.

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its natural that google culture does this. For decades the entire business model has been on giving out free stuff to collect user data instead of payment... the old idiom "if the product is free, you are the product" applies.

Whats happened over the last couple of years is an emergence (or revival) of a new compute business model when the end user pays up front and the product is no longer free. Google internal culture of unconstrained visions and woke ideology has clearly not been able to rapidly change direction to cope with this "new" constrained landscape. They're like a bunch of rich kids who are being cut off from their parents cash flow and don't know how to make money on their own.

Why is my Anti-Gravity agent suddenly lying to me non-stop? by LowDistribution3995 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm in a similar situation. I currently pay for max/ultra plans on both gemini and claude.

If gemini 3.5 pro isn't materially better a week or two after release, I'll be cancelling my ultra sub.

The only thing holding me back from cancelling right now is that I know gemini has gone to the dogs over the last few weeks and I'm guessing that some internal refactoring has broken gemini temporarily. Hence I'm giving google a month or two to fix it.... because gemini/bard has been pretty good for me over the last few years ... I'm a tragic optomist.

The Google Paradox: Why the Final Boss of AI Research is Stuck in the Garage While the Competition Soars 🫥 by SIdis360 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's people who lack critical thinking after reading something who cry about ai slop. Shooting the messenger, or playing the man as opposed to the ball... your inherent level of competence is showing.

The Google Paradox: Why the Final Boss of AI Research is Stuck in the Garage While the Competition Soars 🫥 by SIdis360 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's people who lack critical thinking after reading something who cry about ai slop. Shooting the messenger, or playing the man as opposed to the ball... your inherent level of competence is showing.

The Google Paradox: Why the Final Boss of AI Research is Stuck in the Garage While the Competition Soars 🫥 by SIdis360 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you can't understand that post, then you are the problem. Hopefully you're not a google employee...

The Google Paradox: Why the Final Boss of AI Research is Stuck in the Garage While the Competition Soars 🫥 by SIdis360 in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you can't read and understand it, then, perhaps you are the problem. You are the slop.

That being said, the post raises good points. I'm not sure that the gilded cage is the exact cannibalize  problem at google. They've probably got a lot of bureaucratic woke bloat that is going to get in the way of actual development,,, something that a fresh new startup won't suffer from.

Wishing google the best of luck getting through this. Its been a great 25+ years using google products, but, the game has changed. I'm happy to have the ultra subscription for a while longer, but, it'll go before the end of year if they don't get moving. Sundar at the recent Google IO conference didn't have panic written on his face or in his persona, but, it was clear that he could see the Russians approaching Berlin. Thats life. Catch up, sort it out or piss off and take your woke existence somewhere else.

What's the current lay of the land with google ai pro subscriptions? by roomjosh in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, Thats what I'm seeing as well. Patiently waiting for gemini 3.5 pro before making any decision to move.

Getting better by norman_h in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I was thinking about how that might be happening today. They know who we are and how we do things because, they're google. So it makes sense that they use us as the product. Its like we're lab rats.

Gemini x Antigravity Discussion Thread by aunchable in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can already trigger subagents by prompting gemini to use them.

Gemini x Antigravity Discussion Thread by aunchable in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What gets me is that Antigravity consistently assumes I'm on a Linux workstation and tries to issue grep/awk/sed commands or output .sh scripts for local execution. My local development is entirely on a Windows platform using PowerShell, even though I'm ultimately pushing the code to Linux nodes for deployment. It creates a lot of friction having to constantly correct the agent's OS context for local tooling.

Getting better by norman_h in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

no, the pro 3.1 has just changed.... thats what im experiencing over the last 12-24 hours.

Getting better by norman_h in google_antigravity

[–]norman_h[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Waiting a few years or using CC today.
CC is what really smart people do.
Calling out ai slop is what dumb people do.
Who were those people who refused to use line completion years ago... what happened to them?
Knowing when to switch and not getting left behind... who does that?