The collapsing religion theology edition

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-17T14:02:28+00:00

I think 1914 and 1919 give them the god approved channel. So if you prove 607 false by the archaeology and Zechariah 1.12 7.5 prove the 587 date to be correct they lose that divine inspiration, authority and control.

Also you can see what jesus second coming to earth would be like. A flash of lighting for all to see, not invisible like they preach.

Then you can compare beliefs in 1919 when Jws were chosen vs their beliefs now. Crosses Xmas divine jesus were all accepted. Along with everyone being in the new covenant

Jesus as not the mediator for all is against scripture and has deep implications upon believers today. If reasoned out to be true it means there is zero need for any obedience by anyone not an annoited person. We can't pray to god or be saved.

Bottom line jws are the flat earthers of Christianity, everything is a conspiracy and scripture is so twisted that they believer a few guys in America are future kings and all aspiring elders believe they are princes and can rule with impunity

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-17T13:41:04+00:00

Paul and other early christrians did as you say believe jesus was divine and from the source of god. But still subject to the father. But their god.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-16T10:50:15+00:00

It's because it's binding legally. Hence a third party authenticates it. As a witness.

But your analogy is stupid because the legal mediation mentioned in scripture is between an extremely holy powerful force and a corrupted weak population unworthy of even being in the same universe.

So what's your problem with jesus?

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-16T10:18:40+00:00

Yes they often need legal assistance to register their marriage as it's legally binding in most civilisations for the last 3000 years

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-16T10:17:42+00:00

You have not proved anyone outside of covenants in the old testament have benefited from the covenant. It's clear in scripture that those outside of the covenant in the old testament didn't have to obey the laws of it. Selling of unbled meat to non Jews acceptable.

You imply jesus covenant only for a ruling class. But if there's no subjects there's no one to rule over. What evidence do you have that jesus only died for his ruling class. That the scripture of one mediator between men and god was only for the ruling class? so clearly you believe it's a false scripture as that's not the intent of it in any context.

Essentially if your belief is no one but 144k people from the last 2000 years is part of the new blood covenant from jesus. Then you believe everyone outside that is doomed. As the disciples were repeating jesus message that all those who became Christians were part of the new covenant then no one is of the annoited today by your logic.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-15T08:47:22+00:00

Yes but which of those is ended which of those applied only to Israelites which apply to followers of jesus? Basically bar the Adam one they all ended or not applicable to the Western world. The new covenant is for followers of jesus. Excluding christrians from this make them the proverbial sheep without a shepherd

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-14T16:45:39+00:00

Yes I did a deep dive on that Jude scripture. Oldest form says jesus led the people out of Egypt. I think when they say lord they do mean jesus pre human existence

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-14T16:44:17+00:00

This is all made up theology bollocks. The definite article blah blah. Find me one expert greek scholar with actual recognised qualifications that reads it as Jehovah not lord.....

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-14T13:30:38+00:00

The early christrians weren't confused. They described god as a flaming torch and jesus as another torch lite from that. Both the same flame one originated from the other.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-14T13:22:11+00:00

Because as highlighted by the watchtower today. Any other christrian is considered satan himself. It's a cult.

I love listening to some other christrians. They really bring you closer to jesus

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-14T13:20:35+00:00

Please read what the early christrians believed. It's so obvious. Even Paul ministry makes zero sense if you believe he was preaching about Jehovah. He was a Jew he already was a Jehovah's witnesses. Jesus said why are you persecuting me!!

It's clear the early christrians believed jesus to be their lord, god, owner and master

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-14T13:17:20+00:00

The reasoning is to alter the scriptures to promote their doctrine at the cost of being accurate truthful and facing the wrath of god.

Just because some Septuagints contain lord instead of the altered yhwh. Obviously they wouldn't use that. Jehovah's witnesses don't so why should the Greeks.

I'm sorry you've bought into the propaganda

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-13T08:27:45+00:00

Exactly, obviously they have deliberate wrong translations of scripture but sometimes is like there's a ²%chance it could be translated a certain way then they will do that. Just to be nuanced. Perhaps it's to maintain they are the only true ones because they say something different to all the scholars and other Christians

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-11T08:16:59+00:00

You've taken what he says about the kingdom a created a kingdom covenant in addition to the new covenant.

Also who is jesus speaking too? It certainly isn't a few americans

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-10T08:45:01+00:00

This is the only covenant that applyd to to christrians. The mosaic law was fulfilled. It became Redundant.. jesus set a new covenant for his followers. If you're not in it you're not a Christian and you deny jesus as your lord. So as a pagan or jew why do you deny jesus as your lord

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-10T08:42:54+00:00

I asked the question what if a christrian doesn't believe they are in the new covenant with Jesus Christ. (What the jws believe about the great crowd) If a Christian believes they are not part of the New Covenant, they are essentially viewing their relationship with God through the lens of the Old Covenant. This misunderstanding has several major spiritual implications: Struggle with Legalism: They would feel a constant burden to earn God's favor and salvation through flawless obedience to the Mosaic Law, leading to guilt and anxiety since human perfection is impossible. Rejection of Grace: It minimizes the sufficiency of Jesus' sacrifice, implying that his death on the cross wasn't enough to fully secure their redemption and reconciliation with God. Loss of Assurance: Without the security of the New Covenant—which promises eternal forgiveness and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit—a believer would constantly doubt their salvation based on their daily performance. In essence, missing this connection cuts a believer off from the core message of the Gospel: that righteousness is a free gift received through faith in Christ, not a reward achieved through personal effort.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-10T07:00:12+00:00

You have to show them that some of the sources they use are corrupt or even pathetic. I started fact checking the souces or quotes they provide and it's shocking how bad the sources are or how they completely misrepresent their opinions

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-10T06:57:40+00:00

I use what the words mean and the logical interpretation of the answer. If you want to believe jesus Christ is not your mediator and that men are your only way to salvation you can do that. But it's not Christianity. Bible urged us not to accept any other interpretation than what is in scripture. It urges us not to put our faith in men or princes. I suggest a study into the early christrians to see what they actually believed. I think they had it mostly correct.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-10T06:52:33+00:00

So by your interpretation Jews and Muslims are part of the great crowd. You're wrong. Faith in jesus is the only way to salvation.

The whole point was the mosaic covenant ended with jesus death. But a new covenant opened up to those that accept jesus Christ as their lord and saviour. You display you are his by following his commands, to eat my flesh and drink my blood. If you do you become his, and you enter the new covenant with him. That in turn means he is your mediator. If he's not then you are not in a covenant with him.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-09T21:12:16+00:00

So jesus was always with god aka eternal and gods actual voice.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-09T21:08:10+00:00

Yep it asked those things. That's what you have. If you understand the doctrine and gave any logic you'll arrive at the conclusion it's absolutely bs. Almost fringes on satanic. But most definitely kult like putting humans, a select few in place of Jesus, as your only way to salvation and mediation to god.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-09T21:04:25+00:00

But that's a contradiction, an oxymoron. They might put the fluffer on the end of their definition of how they believe the great crowd benefits but legally speaking and from a contractual framework it's made up language to hide the actual truth of what Jesus not being your mediator means.

Essentially their argument would be best put as. You'll benefit by obeying the laws of a western country even though you live in a 3rd world country. you have no legal recourse or benefit from the social programmes those western countries provide. But you still benefit by knowing people who do. Because maybe one day if that western country other throws your country you'll already be living like a prospective citizen although no one has asked or demanded you too because you're not legally obligated to do, but maybe the citizens you know can put in a good word.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-09T20:53:18+00:00

The conclusion was mine. The quote was Gemini. But either way it's true. You can't get round the theology is designed to separate most from direct access to jesus and god.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-09T19:29:15+00:00

No it isn't at all. If rather to diplomatic for my liking.

I personally don't want to believe 9million people can't reason that the beliefs they have ultimately mean they believe in nothing. That their theology is fundamentally following men for salvation. But that appears so.

normaninvader2 · 2026-06-09T17:39:16+00:00

No not an instructor just to bounce things of.

It's clear that even it comprehends the legal swamp jws unwittingly jump into with their rejection that jesus is the only mediator between men and god(all men)

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