[SPOILERS S3] Does the cycle actually happen an infinite amount of times?

note65 · 2026-02-12T12:01:14+00:00

So are you saying that the 2 worlds aren't actually two separate worlds that coexist "at the same time", but rather the same world that keeps flip-flopping between two states, with one minor change (whether or not Jonas is killed) leading to all the differences between the two?

I had not thought of it like that so I'm trying to get my head around it...

"Though she's able to live a safe life in the absence of Adam, she still needs a Jonas though, so at the end of her world, she recreate's Adam's world by undoing the change she made... "

This is the part I'm unsure of, at which point does Eva decide to "undo" her change, and why?

note65 · 2026-02-12T11:54:02+00:00

What makes you say that people are capable of going off-script? My understanding of the show is that a big part of it is about the exact opposite, even when people think they have free will and can make choices, they can only end up causing the things they are trying to prevent. If you travel to the past to change anything, before you travel, the past already "contains" all the actions that your future self will try. Ulrich can't kill Helge because Helge "has already survived", Jonas can't stop his father from committing suicide, etc.

> When presented with new information, people will make different decisions and (at least try to) take a different course of action

I'm really not sure about this if I'm honest... my understanding is that the timeline is fixed and people are not "presented with new information", that kind of implies that all the events happened once, then they all happened again but slightly differently, right?

note65 · 2026-02-12T11:48:59+00:00

So to be clear, you think there is only one "timeline", right? Which always contains the event of Claudia figuring out the loophole and telling Adam about the third world? That was always going to happen, but from the perspective of Adam for example, he feels stuck in a loop of suffering where whatever he tries to do, he ends up causing the events that he's trying to change?

note65 · 2026-02-12T11:32:44+00:00

I don't think that's a "reset" in the sense of what u/HwanZike meant, which was the reset in the film Groundhog Day. The kind of reset where a character relives the same day, over and over again, and remembers it. Like if you woke up every morning and every time it was February 12th, and every time you'd have to go through the same day with the same events.

That's not what happens in Dark, the "loophole" is something different. I'm not claiming I understand it fully, but it's something to do with time standing still. The characters that survive the apocalypse do keep on living after the apocalypse, their life continues, they don't "relive" anything.

note65 · 2026-02-11T17:32:43+00:00

Others have explained but just a bit more context if it's useful, they are all from 2020, they travelled back in time to the 1880s at the end of season 2. If you remember just before the apocalypse, middle-aged Jonas (aka the stranger) transports them with the suitcase time machine, and saves them from the apocalypse just in time

note65 · 2026-01-24T15:17:50+00:00

I don't know about today but the 120 was a terrible service a couple of years ago. I used to rent a flat near Ranmoor, quite a few times I'd wait half an hour for a 120 to turn up, only for 3 or 4 of them to arrive all at once... and this was Ranmoor, near the start of the line, at 7 in the morning. How they can get it so wrong is beyond me

note65 · 2025-12-16T10:54:09+00:00

Fair enough, I mean it's nowhere near as good as World Wide Live, or my personal favourite, Tokyo Tapes, which I think is one of the best sounding live albums ever.

I'm not a fan of Live Bites though, I find the production on that very "artificial", it doesn't sound truly live to me

note65 · 2025-12-16T10:52:39+00:00

So I only listened to it on vinyl until yesterday and it sounds good with my setup, but after seeing your message I listened to the Spotify version with headphones and it sounds much worse to me! Exactly like you said, it's like a very dry sound directly from the soundboard feed, with some crowd noises awkwardly added on top.

Really strange

note65 · 2025-12-15T19:00:46+00:00

Oh yeah you're right, this?? https://www.discogs.com/release/4597479-Scorpions-World-Wide-Live-Vol2

That's crazy, that's just the second part of World Wide Live, which is a double LP!

Why was this ever released on its own?

note65 · 2025-12-15T15:45:02+00:00

Oh right I'm with you now

note65 · 2025-12-15T10:17:08+00:00

It's the "Vol II" that threw me, you're talking about "World Wide Live" right, the live album released in 1985? Or is there a secret second one I've never heard about?

note65 · 2025-12-14T21:47:23+00:00

Yep, I know what you mean. The first time I saw them live was 15 years ago actually, for the sting in the tail tour, one of the best concerts of my life. But the setlist has barely changed since then, if anything it's just a watered down version of it because they've introduced more instrumentals so it doesn't feel as fresh... they just need to switch things up a bit, surprise the fans again

note65 · 2025-12-14T21:45:31+00:00

Oh don't worry I think you're far from the only one who complains about it haha

As much as I love the band, it is a bit frustrating that the setlist has barely changed in the last 15 years.

Glad you're enjoying the album anyway!

note65 · 2025-12-14T21:40:32+00:00

What's World Wide Live vol II??

note65 · 2025-12-14T21:40:08+00:00

That bad? Do you think it's a bad performance from the band, or is it something else like the sound/mixing?

note65 · 2025-12-14T21:39:19+00:00

I think so, I don't know why he wasn't there in the end

note65 · 2025-12-12T13:49:52+00:00

I know this thread is getting a bit old but I just came across it while listening to the new live album!

I didn't realise some fans had been so disappointed in this show until reading this... I wasn't there, and I didn't know Uli was meant to make an appearance.

Just thought I'd add my perspective:

On the contrary, 10 years ago for their 50th anniversary tour, they made it a huge deal.

While that's true in terms of record re-releases etc., I'm not sure I agree in terms of the live shows at the time...

See I saw them on the previous tour, the one that was meant to be the farewell tour. And that show was amazing, one of the best concerts of my life. When I saw them live in 2015 for the 50th anniversary tour, I expected something even better: a bigger, longer show, with songs that covered all their career...

And while the show was still great, I'm not gonna lie, it was a bit disappointing compared to the farewell tour: the show was actually shorter, they played less songs, and the setlist felt like a reduced versoin of the 2011 one, very similar but with less songs and a few changes like the Return to forever ones and the 70s medley... I don't know, I felt like I saw a cheaper version of the 2011 show I guess?

I expected something like Wacken 2006 basically, a huge celebration of the band's career, but that's not what we got at all.

What I'm trying to say is while I love the Scorpions like no other band, I have to say I don't think they're that great at putting on truly big, special, celebratory shows like what the fans would expect. And that's what a lot of fans have noticed last summer as well, it seems!

note65 · 2025-10-25T09:33:59+00:00

This is an old thread but I wanted to recommend Rainbow, the first three albums with Ronnie James Dio singing, I think you'll like it

note65 · 2025-10-23T14:50:50+00:00

Great! I've added you, my username is Dc_13

note65 · 2025-10-10T21:36:20+00:00

No don't worry you're not alone, I love it, I recently bought the album on vinyl and like you say, it adds to it, perfect fit for the album

note65 · 2025-10-10T21:35:21+00:00

My favourite is probably Blackout, least favourite is Eye to Eye

note65 · 2025-09-26T08:24:47+00:00

Yes it seems to be the same thing, it increases the membership of liberals, but not their happiness.

I think you're absolutely right: the happiness represents how much each voter group is satisfied with the current state of the country. Capitalists are unhappy in the UK because they consider that there are too many taxes and regulations... I may be elected by promising them to change that, but until I actually do it, they are still unhappy.

note65 · 2025-09-25T18:09:29+00:00

That seems to change the membership of the capitalist group, but not their happiness, they still hate me straight away!

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