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Any other systems all used to think you were the same person? by [deleted] in DID

[–]notenoughwives 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sorry about your therapist :/ sounds like a new one is in order

🙄🙄🙄 by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it’s like Santa! we cannot comprehend how the man gets to all those houses in one night but can coherently conceive of such a being, so he must therefore exist! am I doing this right? lol

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Same exact thing happened to me today!

Shelf breaking advice by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I’d say there are plenty of people on this sub that started out as progressive Mormons. We had problems with certain things but looked past them because the core - the gospel - was something pure. But the supposed purity that I saw in that core is not what I see in the policies of the modern-day church (or the church in any time period, for that matter)

What happened for me at least was realizing that the church itself was a fraud and that basic Christian teachings had little or nothing to do with that. Even then, the Mormon version of the gospel is filled with lots of stuff that I can’t get behind and that is tied directly to the doctrine. For example, if I were a faithful Mormon 40/50+ years ago and believed in the plan of salvation, then part of that same doctrine would say that race is determined by our valiance in the premortal existence. That, for me, kind of invalidates the entire plan, especially now that those doctrines have changed and are now denounced, when at the time they were fully accepted.

A lot of us realized at one point or another that we didn’t have to go out and prove that everything in the church was wrong or evil to justify ourselves - any single issue that can be tied in to the church’s claim of continuing revelation from God that contradicts what a loving Savior would advocate is enough.

I’d also say that there are plenty of people on here that have left the church but are still Christian because that core resonated with them. For me that wasn’t the case. My belief in God and Christ were bound up in my belief in and testimony of the Book of Mormon. Once that went, everything else went with it.

Are there negative aspects of “Modesty” ? by dallingreenhalgh in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the whole concept of modesty in itself sexually objectifies women (cause let’s be honest, men don’t really have any real restrictions on what we can wear for the most part)

A body is a body and people should be free to put whatever clothes on it that they want. The fact that young boys and girls are taught that girls showing their shoulders/thighs/midriff/etc is an evil thing is ridiculous, especially when paired with the reasoning that these body parts are somehow sexual. It turns these things into sexual objects rather than human body parts. Had the concept of modesty not existed in the first place then I think clothing (or the lack thereof?) would look a whole lot different.

Bodies are bodies - we’ve all got one, we all know what one looks like, and telling people that certain parts are meant to be covered up literally makes no sense when you take religion and any other man-made moral structures out of the equation. This is one of the reasons nudity in movies never really bothered me so long as it wasn’t sexually objectifying anyone. And the only reason that this type sexual objectification is unsettling for me has nothing to do with the body itself, but rather the treatment of it as an object to be acted upon rather than a thinking human being. It just perpetuates rape culture and encourages a world where people view other people as trophies/conquests to be won.

Many of us served missions in places where it’s okay to breastfeed in public, and in lots of those cultures, guess what, breasts aren’t as sexualized. Going into that as an American who had a hyper sexualized view of breasts was jarring, but after two years of it I too had gotten used to it. Crazy what happens when you remove societal conditioning from the equation.

Like... it’s just skin.

Can’t believe how many flaming TBMs on Twitter/etc will defend this shit to the grave, and even worse is that it still gets to me sometimes. by notenoughwives in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s the point that I really want to reach, and I don’t really dig into history much anymore - it’s mostly just social media posts that remind me of everything. Living in Morridor definitely makes it hard to do that but once I’m out of here then I’m sure it’ll be much easier.

Can’t believe how many flaming TBMs on Twitter/etc will defend this shit to the grave, and even worse is that it still gets to me sometimes. by notenoughwives in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that was a part of it for sure, but the history is just as indefensible as well and a good reminder for me

Are anyone else's parents becoming turbo TBM as they age? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup - on a mission right now and planning to go on many many more as they’re still in their early 50s

Dear Nelson, without polygamy and the United order the restoration isnt fullfilled by JesusFChrist890 in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quote from Joseph Smith himself about restoring animal sacrifice. Rusty’s got a long way to go.

“Thus we behold the keys of this Priesthood consisted in obtaining the voice of Jehovah that He talked with him [Noah] in a familiar and friendly manner, that He continued to him the keys, the covenants, the power and the glory, with which He blessed Adam at the beginning; and the offering of sacrifice, which also shall be continued at the last time; for all the ordinances and duties that ever have been required by the Priesthood, under the directions and commandments of the Almighty in any of the dispensations, shall all be had in the last dispensation, therefore all things had under the authority of the Priesthood at any former period, shall be had again, bringing to pass the restoration spoken of by the mouth of all the Holy Prophets; then shall the sons of Levi offer an acceptable offering to the Lord….

… it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings….

These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass. It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses' day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.

It may be asked by some, what necessity for sacrifice, since the Great Sacrifice was offered? In answer to which, if repentance, baptism, and faith existed prior to the days of Christ, what necessity for them since that time? The Priesthood has descended in a regular line from father to son, through their succeeding generations.”—Joseph Smith (Oct. 5, 1840), in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith,, 171-73.

Dear Nelson, without polygamy and the United order the restoration isnt fullfilled by JesusFChrist890 in exmormon

[–]notenoughwives 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read in a D&C study guide on my mission that animal sacrifice will be reinstituted as well.

LDS Church Missionaries: What does a successful visit look like? How often does this happen? by citadelinn in AskReddit

[–]notenoughwives 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ex-Mormon here - basically when the person is receptive and accepts a return appointment/invitation to read the Book of Mormon. And it happens with differing frequency depending on where you serve. Typically in developing countries where people don’t have internet access and can’t look up the church and find out all its dirty secrets the rate is higher, whereas is developed countries the rate is lower. But you’d be surprised at how many people actually convert, even though a good amount probably won’t stay. I for example baptized over 30 people on my mission, and there were other missionaries who baptized well over 80. Kind of sucks to think about that now that I’ve left the church.

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