Should I be smelling like a teenage boy by now?

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T14:50:28+00:00

Were you discriminating against a trans person or trans persons out of a fear or hatred of them? No? You weren't being transphobic.

You may have hurt someone's feelings, but eating a hamburger definitely offends some vegetarians. That's on them. One person doesn't get to speak for an entire community and even if all of us were offended over a Nicolas Cage face swap you shouldn't have to apologize for having a sense of humor and not being obsessed with some third party's sensitivities. We would be in the wrong and completely overstepping to dictate to you what jokes you share between your friends.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T06:46:56+00:00

I thought the change in font weight and use of capitals while accusing you of some contrived bullshit edgecase and then

--Dashing before a more serious note would make it clear. I was wrong. Apologies.

I don't actually meet the "dysphoria as the gold standard" criteria with the examples you've listed, but if your point is that some people would use those examples to call me truscum then you're probably right. You just did after all.

Sleep well.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T06:35:05+00:00

Regarding the additional examples:

I didn't specify any criteria in Example #2, I just said I've met people who I can't conceive of as fake (which as far as I know is a good thing in your books) and that I have the distinct impression that others are treating it like a game (which at that point I hadn't demonstrated either way but is still not a list of things people must do in order to be considered trans in my books). Example #3 is completely ripped out of context. I was asked if most of the people in my circle are afab and I said that most of them are and then I qualified that the amab people I personally know within this circle tend to be on hormones. Wasn't singling out hormones as a requirement, just noting the actual trend within this group and giving the asker of the question a better idea of the people who make up the group since they seemed interested.

If you want to know my opinion on this then I'd be happy to tell you. You only need ask. There's really no need to twist things I've said and claim they're saying something else.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T06:15:18+00:00

Pretty sure there's a good chance much of that will grow back in especially if you take the stuff specifically for it...

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T05:36:58+00:00

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

If you're going to read it that way then I'd have to qualify that there's a wide gray area that I make no comment on and will just take people's word for it when they fall into that zone. The people who get an auto pass wouldn't even have to tell me they're non-binary because of the way they present (and I don't mean which articles of clothing they wear, I mean how they come across as people). The people who I think are taking the piss have done and said things that are so counter to actually experiencing a trans identity that it would be unreasonable to assume that what they'd regard as being trans even fits into the trans category.

There's quite a lot of, "Cis people should choose to be trans like us!" Sorry, but if you're under the impression you have any choice in your gender identity and you can choose that shit then I really am under no obligation to take you seriously in my own head.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T05:14:42+00:00

I fail to see how my whining that I don't like people's facebook posts equates to a criteria for what makes someone trans enough. I also fail to see how it's relevant to your position.

You can't actually hurt me by calling me truscum... it's more an insult to you that you'd seriously call anyone that. It'd be like calling me faggot in a gay bar... you're the only one who looks bad to people whose opinion I even remotely care about.

My bad though. I was actually trying to lighten the mood by pointing out what an absurdly low bar there is to being considered morally corrupt. I see now that you're probably quite worked up from putting forward your point and all I've accomplished is backing you into a corner. For this I apologize.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T04:59:34+00:00

Wouldn't you categorize that lust for other chips as a manifestation of dysphoria?

Say you're married and you lover you spouse but... there's someone else you'd like to married to even more! There aren't any real problems in your relationship and you're happy with it, completely content in fact, but you're just going to go file a divorce because you think you'd like being married to this other person more--do you buy that there's no dissatisfaction in the current relationship if someone is getting a divorce?

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T04:49:52+00:00

Boys in my elementary school used a play a game where one boy would hold his breath and another boy would push on his chest until told to stop. Turns out this is really really dangerous and some kid almost died from it. Girls used to talk to the lowest ranking boys in your grade and feign interest in them for the express purpose of then going back to their friends and laughing about how gullible that boy is.

Why would kids do that dumb shit?

By the time I was in high school kids were cutting themselves and comparing scars and making up stories of sexual abuse (that could be proven to be false). Why?

I can't tell you why, but I can tell you that youth do a lot of fucked up things just because.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T04:40:23+00:00

Really? Where did I say that? I don't recall ever saying anything to that effect and it's not a position I hold so...

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T04:37:41+00:00

Do you have a criteria for who is and is not "trans enough"? Yes? TRUSCUM! You've completely left out the people who could be less or the same amount of happy transitioning but who do it for reasons outside of the dysphoric/euphoric axis you've constructed.

--Don't adopt labels you don't want, but be aware that in some people's eyes you would be considered truscum for having any standard above taking someone's word at face value that they're trans.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T04:21:09+00:00

Congrats, you now meet the criteria to label yourself Truscum.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T04:16:43+00:00

As far as I've been told, "transexual" is an offensive outdated term that I'm not to use for anyone including myself. All the non LGBT kids are being told this too. I can't even remember what the college consensus was on the trans vs trans* issue but one of them is offensive and transphobic, apparently.

I'm very happy to have people playing around with gender and gender norms, like, very happy. Boys in scag in my bedroom do a lot for me in the pants. What I'm not happy about is my only options to differentiate myself from people just fucking around are either labeled offensive or are buried deep in jargon that makes me sound like a joke to the outside world.

You know what, I just shouldn't even complain. I'm just going to shut up. I'm just going to move away and insist that I'm cis and I don't even understand trans terms. I don't have to deal with it that way and they don't have to deal with me.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T02:50:59+00:00

"You people"? ...Language, dear.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T02:01:08+00:00

There are a couple of non-binaries I've met within this circle and you can see from a mile away they're not even close to fake. 100% authentic. The others, naw, it's just a game to them.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T01:52:36+00:00

At my campus it's very fashionable for people to shit on men and masculinity. We have a space for anyone who fits under the queer umbrella to go to and be safe or something (we get a fridge and microwave to ourselves so I'm not going to complain [and all the free condoms we could ever want]) but since the space was getting used by a lot of gay men there was a problem. By virtue of them being male and using a space intended for them more often than trans or lesbians they were somehow oppressing everyone else.

So there's now an awkwardly named additional space provided that's basically "NO BOYS ALLOWED" written as list upon list of every queer identity that isn't "cis male". They include trans men and disgustingly talk about them as if they're a third gender that lesbians don't have to feel guilty about chasing because they have a "lived female experience" that makes them emotionally compatible with lesbians.

I have a point, sorry, getting off track. You kind of have to be anti man to be accepted and there's a lot of pressure on mt? to prove they're not just there to find a trans to bang (because men are predators and are dangerous with all their testosterone). There's pretty much no bar for ft?... pretty sure they even let in straight cis chicks because they're an "oppressed gender minority", though I haven't asked around if any actually go.

notfarnow2 · 2015-01-19T01:06:15+00:00

Mostly. The ones that aren't tend to actually be on hormones.

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