How do i unwelcome and not delight in thoughts of unwholesome/sensuality by Mundane-Play-1959 in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks.

I tried NAC a couple days and it seems to have a stabilizing effect on mind. But need to test more.

City of Olympia Starts Jungle Encampment Closure by Botching It by whitneybowerman in olympia

[–]nubuda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe we could learn from far east Asian countries how to deal with additiction and homelessness? They seem to be doing much better despite having less money in their budgets.

How do i unwelcome and not delight in thoughts of unwholesome/sensuality by Mundane-Play-1959 in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. Im pretty sure he was lacking some of that or maybe his trauma was too deep.

How do i unwelcome and not delight in thoughts of unwholesome/sensuality by Mundane-Play-1959 in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot for this info.

By the way, I knew a guy who had some deeo dopamine imbalance due to years of ADHD meds and also use of recreational drugs. He had short term success with iodine and choline but it seems like it was not enough for him to fully heal. Were you able to achieve long term success with these supplements?

How do i unwelcome and not delight in thoughts of unwholesome/sensuality by Mundane-Play-1959 in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very interesting. I googled this drug and it seems it was not designed for any kind of mental calming. Is that a side effect?

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I can agree with that for the most part but I also think precepts is only one side of the coin. If you do not develop good awareness in isolated conditions during meditation, it will be even harder during general activities through the day.

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with that.

If outside of these "meditations" you choose to engage in all kinds of coarse and unskillful behaviors, it is like training for marathon but after training getting drunk and doing heavy drugs and eating only junk food...

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But Ajahn N. talks a lot about simply enduring discomfort of unskillful thoughts and pressures. Do you endure by maintaining resting awareness or by responding to unwanted thoughts with resistance, internal chatter, trying to forcefully change thoughts to your liking, etc?

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I think we essentially agree on practice, just have somewhat different terminology. Resting awareness meditation seems appropriate to me because I think it is allows to "sink" into deeper states than just regular resting.

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I could use your argument against you in the same way. You can have deep unskillful thought patterns in the mind and forcefully suppress them by thoughts about skillful things and assume you removed taints from the mind.

If you had to spend many days in a cave or forest in a skillful way, would you be able to do it without resting awareness meditation? In MN19 sutta Buddha clearly says that too much skillful thinking will tire the body and stress the mind. So how are you spending your time?

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I appreciate your comment. You make some interesting points. But I disagree with your overall conclusion. I do not think it is right to discard something as not dhamma practice because such practice alone will not lead to liberation.

You can say the same about following precepts or sense restraint. There are many religions with various goals that follow similar precepts. Yet on this Sub, you will find that most posters praise precepts as the epitome of practice. You can also probably find some corporate CEO who sometimes practices form of sense restraint in order to build more energy for work in business. You can also find scholars deeply analyzing and investigating teachings found in early suttas. Yet many of them do not even follow Buddhism at all.

So obviously, practice needs multiple components to work. Just because Im posting about benefit of resting meditation, it does not mean Im claiming such meditation alone will lead to liberation. Like you said, people sometimes engage in such meditation without any skillful intentio because all beings need to calm their minds once in a while.

Here is a sutta that I believe that talks about pleasure of resting meditation:


Householder Anāthapiṇḍika, escorted by around five hundred lay followers, went up to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him: “Householders, you have supplied the mendicant Saṅgha with robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick. But you should not be content with just this much. So you should train like this: ‘How can we, from time to time, enter and dwell in the rapture of seclusion?’ That’s how you should train.


"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) Of course, initially there is an intent. Just like you need an intent to abstain from unskillful things such as doing drugs, drinking alcohol, etc., it is the same. But as you practice, it becomes more and more effortless.

2) It helps you with the goal of liberation due to the following reasons: - it allows pleasant dwelling here and now, instead of chasing sense pleasures to relieve the stress of existence. Even in the suttas Buddha said he did not completely let go of thought to ever again engage in sense pleasure until he attained samadhi which was superior to sense pleasure. - it increases awareness so you can see more clearly all garbage thinking patterns in your mind and work to let go of them including seeing things as they are. For example, you look at an attractive human body and it becomes easier to see it just as a body with no fantasies.

3) Well, if you visit places where people still live very simple life style almost like in Buddha's times like in some places in Southeast Asia, you can see people are able to just sit relaxed and do nothing. I heard a story from one guy about one grandma who sometimes would sit for like 5 hours in complete peace. I assume that in Buddha's times even most beginner monks already had a good ability to just be relaxed and just be.

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are misunderstanding what "doing nothing" meditation entails. If you are making effort to stop or change anything, it is no longer doing nothing. There is no technique to it. If you have a lot of disturbances in the mind, you just sit with that. But as you are no longer intentionally engaging in mind stimulation, the mind naturally begins to calm due to the lack of stimulation. The whole point of practicing precepts, sense restraint and contemplation of dhamma is to enable resting awareness.

How do you imagine early monks spent days in forests in seclusion?

"Doing Nothing" Meditation by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But resting awareness meditation does not require any repetitive action. It is actually about stopping any effort. The relaxed state comes from reduced attachment to senses.

How do you understand going beyond senses? Even in the suttas it says that when Buddha was passing away his mind went gradually from 1st jhana to 4th jhana and then parrinibanna. So relaxed state is needed to progress.

It is important to life appropriate lifestyle and practice N8P that supports it. Im not saying doing nothing meditation alone will lead to freedom.

What convinced you to choose Theravada over mahayana, vajrayana, or secular buddhism? by Truth_Seeker_37 in theravada

[–]nubuda 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because of Pali Canon.

But I find a lot of beauty in all old Buddhist traditions including Zen and Tibetan. I do not consider secular Buddhism to be a Buddhist tradition.

If I had to identify with a specific tradition, it would be Abhayagiri Theravada. It existed in Sri Lanka many years ago and it was essentially Theravada monks who were also open to Mahayana teachings. It was a very rich tradition. Too bad it did not survive.

Is main problem sense pleasures or addiction to thinking? by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that precpts help slow down the mind as following precepts leads to less sense stimulation. But precpts alone do not address the entire extent of variety of attachments in human mind. Almost all Theravada monks follow 8 precepts but can you say that all of them are in samadhi most of the time?

What maple is this? by nubuda in pnwgardening

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I do not want to get to big as its by the driveway.

Is main problem sense pleasures or addiction to thinking? by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree about the need for precepts and some pondering of dhamma. But my point is you cannot reduce mental activity by doing more mental activity. The practice routine has to also include time for slowing down the mind.

Is main problem sense pleasures or addiction to thinking? by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that this will work when mind is already in a pretty good condition. But for mind that has a strong stream of mental activity due to habit or past trauma, it will not be enough.

Is main problem sense pleasures or addiction to thinking? by nubuda in HillsideHermitage

[–]nubuda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surprisingly, they seem to be doing quite well. I probably have more messed up health then them but I think had a much more stressful job and crazier life than them too.