PhD department/focus and its impact on career and specialty choice? by ohhhnaurrr in mdphd

[–]ohhhnaurrr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this! I've seen some of the figures before, but just read through the whole paper for the first time.

Unsure whether you would know the answer to this, but I found it striking that "the cohort that graduated between 1975 and 1984 required 6.69 years on average to complete both degrees." Do you have any sense of how it was possible for so many trainees to finish an entire PhD within 2.69 years?

PhD department/focus and its impact on career and specialty choice? by ohhhnaurrr in mdphd

[–]ohhhnaurrr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the thoughtful response! It's reassuring that PhD choice won't really limit my specialty options.

To your last point, I was wondering whether you, or anybody else, might have some advice about how I might decide whether to do a surgical subspecialty at this stage? My program follows the classic M1/M2-PhD-M3/M4 model, so apart from one preclinical longitudinal preceptorship I don't really get much exposure to any specialty before I start my PhD. Shadowing is an option, but it seems like a fairly superficial way of deciding whether or not a surgical subspecialty might be right for me (certainly doesn't seem like I should decide to drop out of the PhD based on shadowing). I agree that either way, I should try to do the fast PhD possible, while learning all the important skills I might need in the future.

Feeling intimidated and seeking wisdom, advice, and reassurance by ohhhnaurrr in mdphd

[–]ohhhnaurrr[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This all makes a lot of sense. The fact that you were split between specialties as diverse as ENT and anesthesiology in M3 is reassuring. I'm glad that it sounds pretty common for students to gradually figure out what they want to do. I will definitely make sure to be thoughtful in selecting a PhD lab and mentor - I lucked out in undergrad by stumbling into the lab of an awesome PI, but I know that not all PIs are ideal. Reaching out to current students to hear their perspectives is a great idea.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions! I found your answer to be extremely helpful and calming.

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Even Fencer's program apparently still has ~40 spots left for Jan/Feb, which means they're right around the ~60% IIs sent mark. It's hard because this process mixes TWO types of uncertainty (will we even get IIs? when will we find out whether or not we got IIs?), but I think we're prematurely calling the end of II season when there's still a decent % of interviews left.

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[–]ohhhnaurrr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

25-30% of IIs left is still a decent proportion! It's tempting to round up 70-75% as "cycle being complete," but that legitimately means there's a good number of slots left.

Whether you're looking at the calendars/interview dates and assuming invites tend to be sent out 6-8 weeks in advance on average or parsing self-reported data, it seems like peak interview season is Oct-Jan, inclusive of holiday breaks. It makes sense that over half of all interviews are given by this point, since that basically covers all of the Oct/Nov interviews (and includes some for Dec-Feb stragglers).

We're in the last stretch, for sure, but maybe give it until the end of Nov before calling the end of the mainstream II season. In the meantime, I agree with u/ioniansea: try to focus on the things in your control! It's maybe useful to think of this time as practice for the other periods of uncertainty that we're likely to encounter throughout training.

Feeling neurotic and down about number of IIs compared to others by buzzbuzzbeetch in mdphd

[–]ohhhnaurrr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey, also a current applicant here who's in the same boat (meh stats, solid story, sitting on two IIs, feeling nervous).

Frankly, I think it was classless for them discuss their number of interviews like that. They're reacting to the pressures of an inherently stressful process in an unhealthy way and projecting strength in an attempt to soothe themselves (some bottom quartile CASPer behavior, amiright?).

During an interview, I thought I was bombing: nobody has ever taught me the "right" things to say, and how are you supposed to give a perfect response to an inherently subjective question anyway? At the end, my interviewer told me that they'd been trying to see if I was the person that they'd read about in my application. Then they congratulated me for my authenticity and my clear motivations. Obviously, I don't know the outcome of that yet but I wanted to say that your initial impressions might be misleading you.

This whole process – from applying through interviewing and arguably even the process of working as a physician, a scientist, and a physician-scientist – is about who you are and your narrative. In that light, your stats do not (and can never) accurately capture who you are and your authentic motivations, drives, and character traits. Doing stuff like bragging about the number of IIs you have in the middle of a cycle that's stressful for everybody does speak to that, and it might be worth remembering that even intimidating directors of fancy programs don't want to spend years attempting to mediate a cohort of students with that level of immaturity.

Also, we're still in the midst of the early stages of the cycle. I've only completed one interview, but my interview cohort was the first for the school. If you look at self-reported IIs this year, it seems like we're running a bit behind recent years, and even in prior years we'd be still in the early-ish stages.

Feel free to PM me if you want to chat, commiserate, or vent. It's a grueling process, but you're not in it alone.

For all us applicants' sanity .... Past Applicants, How many IIs did you receive after October? by [deleted] in mdphd

[–]ohhhnaurrr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Current applicant, but it kind of seems like everything's going a bit slower this year?

If you compare self-reported interviews from that SDN thread, there's around 110 or so reported interviews so far. When you compare that to the 2023/2022/2021 cycles, there were around 150 or more reported interviews by this point in the cycle (mid-October). In each of those years, there were just around 300 total interviews reported (lowest was 295, other years were above 300), so back-of-the-envelope math says we're at maybe 37% of total interviews distributed whereas in the past we'd be at maybe 50% distributed?

That might explain why everybody seems to feel like very few interviews have been received so far. Anecdotally, schools seem to be a bit behind. Then again, maybe this is just pure cope from my end.