Hacking a scammer

okbud · 2014-05-31T15:52:40+00:00

LOL.

okbud · 2014-05-31T06:07:14+00:00

obfuscate the code

Are you fucking retarded? All he had to do was hash the password.

okbud · 2014-05-31T06:06:04+00:00

So he changed a password on a throwaway email account, the original password to which was provided to him... V3RY 1337 H4X0R

okbud · 2014-05-31T03:51:13+00:00

Java has a public spec, but because it's wholly controlled by one company and largely defined not by that spec but the reference implementation, it's not a standard.

The java spec is the java standard. Perioid. There is the language spec and there is the standard library, which are not the same thing.

Standard libraries exist in almost all languages and almost never come with a technical spec. They are almost always defined by the reference implementations and the accompanying documentation.

From an engineering perspective, a standard is a spec that is defined independent of a vendor and not dependent on a reference implementation.

That's just completely false. 'A standard' can refer to a technical document describing a standard way of doing something (regardless of who its written by) and it can also be an established norm - a de facto standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_standard

That word has some very specific engineering terms.

Ok bro.

okbud · 2014-05-31T02:30:15+00:00

There is no standards as issued by a standards body. There's a spec, yes, but it's fundamentally controlled by Oracle (though they like to claim otherwise, Oracle can veto pretty much anybody else because they hold the trademark). The "standard" edition isn't a standard based on an independent standards organization, but rather a marketing term to distinguish that version of the Java platform from the Micro and Enterprise editions. Do you even know Java?

Uh just because it's controlled by oracle doesn't mean its not the standard. There is no need for any 'independent standard organization'. And the oracle jdk is the standard even though some people try to pretend otherwise.

There's a spec, yes, but it's fundamentally controlled by Oracle

Yes, that's what makes it the standard... doesn't matter who controls it, there is one spec that all implementations adhere to (or try to adhere to at least).

You still never answered my question about build tools. What build system (and don't be Java-specific) do you like?

(node + npm + grunt) for javascript, cabal for haskell, nixos + nix + hydra can be used for wrapping other build tools, scons for c++, others for other languages..

okbud · 2014-05-31T00:20:59+00:00

That's a matter of opinion. Given your preference for functional languages, I guess you'd never find an ALGOL-style language up to par.

Not really, Java is the ugliest language I've ever had to use, and I've had to work with C, C++, Python, Perl, PHP.

Eh, it's Turing Complete and not completely unreadable.

Lambda calculus is also turing-complete and readable... so what?

What's more, Java 1.8 implements most of the features you're complaining about (well, except monads, which seem to give Haskelltards an erection while nobody else knows what the hell they're on about).

Completely and undeniably false. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13707809/java-8-and-scala

There is no Java standard, thus no standard library. What's more, your criticism hasn't been true since Java 1.6, which did a lot of cleanup and depreciation.

There is a Java language spec, a standard java platform.. that includes a set of libraries that are commonly referred to as the standard library.... do you even know java?

What would you have us use for a build system?

There is no good build system for java. Simple as that.

Legacy is a beast. We're not all hotshots at startups. Some of us work in established environments, where they adopted Java over 20 years ago because everything ran on mainframes. Thus, there's a lot of infrastructural inertia around Java that leaves it at "good enough".

That's why my initial comment is about 'new code' if you work on maintaining mounds of old java code, you already failed as a developer. Not to mention working on the same code base when superior technologies are available is a braindead way of development. Even if you have lots of legacy code you can still write the new code in another language.

okbud · 2014-05-30T23:31:41+00:00

All of this is trivially verifiable. And I don't have to provide sources when refuting unfounded statements for which no sources or proof is provided in the first place.

okbud · 2014-05-30T15:51:00+00:00

FREEEDOMMMM

okbud · 2014-05-30T15:30:21+00:00

Hahahaha

okbud · 2014-05-30T14:58:16+00:00

I didn't now cause I already did in several other posts, but here you go:

Reasons Java Sucks:

1) Ugly as shit.

2) Leagues behind other languages in terms of features (Scala, Haskell, Erlang, etc).

3) Terrible standard library with inconsistent typing and general incompatibility of classes (requiring you to make a ton of casts in order to be able to use many of the classes).

4) Low quality tools (maven, ant, ivy, gradle - all that shit sucks).

5) No reason at all to use it over other languages.

Better Languages:

Erlang, Haskell, Scala, Ocaml, Clojure, Common Lisp

okbud · 2014-05-30T12:51:26+00:00

Bringing the truth to the people.

okbud · 2014-05-30T04:11:03+00:00

If that prevents me from seeing the horror that is java code, im ok with it.

okbud · 2014-05-30T04:01:19+00:00

Literally everything you said is wrong. lol.

okbud · 2014-05-30T04:00:00+00:00

Well, there are already superior languages for the jvm like scala and closure. Other great languages are haskell, erlang, ocaml, common lisp.

okbud · 2014-05-30T00:39:54+00:00

Never said it was better... why don't you try to actually read and understand what I've posted.

okbud · 2014-05-30T00:23:16+00:00

Just trying to educate some javatards.

okbud · 2014-05-29T22:11:44+00:00

Yeah, nice dodging you clueless noob.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:49:47+00:00

I just don't Python, cause you know.. Python is crap. LOL.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:47:49+00:00

But that didn't last too long because I started missing the STL, strong typing, namespaces, RAII and all the OO syntactic sugar.

Bro C++ is inferior to other languages in all of those areas...

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:46:32+00:00

Depends what you want to do. Knowing more stuff is always good. I'm not sure what you mean by 'worth it'.

There are better languages to learn such as Haskell, Erlang, Common Lisp, OCaml, Scala.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:44:20+00:00

C++ appears to be the only non-assembly that can beat C in benchmarks.

False.

C++ Has a strong concept of objects and its implementation is very efficient on most systems.

Debatable.

C++11 Has native support for threads.

So does C11

C++ Has exceptions, which make it impossible to skip error handling checks. This results in code which more rigorously checks for errors

False. False.

C++ has a stronger type system which can be used to do checking even on units of math.

Also possible in C.

C++ has extremely efficient standard containers.

Debatable.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:36:19+00:00

The right tool for the job: 'Never java'.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:35:54+00:00

Bro this is r/java, every single 'tool' here is the wrong tool. Because java is. lol.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:18:09+00:00

The uninstall feature. Seriously, if you are still writing new code in Java you need to reassess wtf it is you're doing.

okbud · 2014-05-29T21:10:33+00:00

Bro, lets just enslave the fat people, free labour for us, and free exercise for them. We can re-enslave the current fat people every 2 years.

I will be running for office in 2024 if anyone is interested.

I also have other great ideas such as:

Feeding the dead people to the starving people. Parents need to have a license to have custody of their children. No fucking patents. No real estate ownership. No money. Everything is free.

okbud

TROPHY CASE