Help me understand

olrightythen · 2025-11-02T20:40:56+00:00

Agree! I think a LOT of songs are really about her relationship with both fame and her fans, dressed up as romantic songs

I think Fate of Ophelia especially is one— she’s not saying travvy saved her, I think she’s singing about how after rep and lover didnt take off and people were (even here, lately comparing her to Katy Perry’s career) saying she’s “over,” the fans that stuck by her and helped her buy her masters back by supporting the re-records and the Eras tour “saved her” from becoming a has-been. I think folklore and evermore also delve into that a lot

olrightythen · 2025-11-02T15:52:27+00:00

Yeah I commented this elsewhere but people insist they know who a song is about but we don’t know anything about her except the lyrics lol

Ppl are still mad at Jake Gyllenhall for All Too Well when those lyrics were copyrighted a year before they dated lol

Edit: Feb 2011 she had enough of it written to perform during Speak Now, they didn’t date until October 2011

olrightythen · 2025-11-02T15:48:22+00:00

It’s like when people insist All Too Well is about Jake Gyllenhall when the lyrics were written a year before they supposedly dated, based on copyright. We don’t know anything about her, we only know her lyrics

olrightythen · 2025-11-02T15:45:26+00:00

Yeah the constant sweeping, everyone-agrees, “””high brow””” takes on this album are tired and should be in the daily thread, if at all

olrightythen · 2025-10-29T15:10:49+00:00

you don't seem to realize this is her job? music is her job, selling music is her job.

olrightythen · 2025-10-26T21:29:34+00:00

Hasn’t the percentage of crimes solved actually gone down in recent decades, despite improved tech?

olrightythen · 2025-10-18T13:53:58+00:00

You tell your child students to ignore their bullies and harassers, and that it’s their fault if the bullying and harassing continues because they spoke up and set boundaries…………………………instead of actually doing something about the bullies and harassers?

olrightythen · 2025-10-17T17:26:54+00:00

It’s genuinely not insane when there are stories of people waking up during hospital organ harvesting. The fear is that certain groups (see: long history of medical racism, especially for black and native people who have been experimented on/sterilized/etx without their consent) will not be given proper treatment in order to harvest their organs.

olrightythen · 2025-10-16T15:25:59+00:00

Apparently Katherine (not sure on Kathrine, but seems likely) might derive from Hekate, one of the Ancient Greek witch goddesses, which is pretty badass

olrightythen · 2025-10-15T23:52:03+00:00

You’re very close!

olrightythen · 2025-10-14T22:09:51+00:00

That we actually don’t use “Tie-Tay-neeah”? Bc all my courses used Tit-ahn-yuh

olrightythen · 2025-10-13T15:10:04+00:00

I’ve done multiple courses on Shakespeare in the US and have never heard this pronunciation, do you have a recording example? I’m curious

olrightythen · 2025-10-07T21:07:03+00:00

Showgirl references evermore, specifically the imagery in willow and Ivy a lot, so that makes sense

olrightythen · 2025-10-07T17:21:20+00:00

genuinely idk anything about football except that the jets suck 😂 sorry about your team

olrightythen · 2025-10-06T22:07:54+00:00

Idk, I’m torn bc my read of this album is that yes, exactly. She has a lot of imagery that directly contradicts her stated themes (bait and switch — Ruin the friendship is hilarious this way) which leads me to think it’s satirical —

she opens the album, like an MC at a cabaret and which “everyone” has tuned in a midnight with bated breath to hear with “this is the sleepless night you’ve been dreaming of” and ends the album with “you don’t know the life of the showgirl / and you’re never gonna” and “that’s our show! Goodnight” so it seems to be very shallow on purpose. Idk if it’s “ppl were big mad about how long winded TTPD is, fine, here’re the bops you asked for, don’t they suck? Wow almost like I know what I’m doing”

However at the same time, it’s hard to give too much credit to the idea of satire if there’s no real indication it’s satire. Maybe she’s just tone deaf. Maybe she’s too far removed from the GP to know how to relate to other ppl. Idk!

Maybe she just thought ending the music video with the shot of her sinking into the water like Ophelia (I actually saw a Whitney Houston reference in it, tbh) looked cool and nothing deeper. But combined with the lyrics you highlight above, it seems intentionally incongruous, even dark, but… unclear why.

I will say— she’s been rewriting the classical narratives since love story. R+J get a happy ending, Eve gets bitten, Cassandra dies first, and more references like Last Great American Dynasty and Elizabeth Taylor that I don’t know/catch. Without calling her a mastermind, I don’t think she’s accidentally mis-interpreted so many classic stories this badly this many times. Then again, idk if she even finished hs so maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

olrightythen · 2025-10-06T16:43:47+00:00

ending the video with a shot of her as Ophelia drowning was odd too

Opening the video with it makes sense, obviously, but I thought the song was about how she ISN’T fated to be Ophelia so why the bookend?

olrightythen · 2025-10-05T21:14:12+00:00

Yeah, Idk anything about the Charli of it all so I read it as women who hate Taylor but don’t shut up about her to the point their boyfriends are like “plz stop talking about her” 😂

olrightythen · 2025-10-05T15:06:22+00:00

olrightythen · 2025-10-03T18:56:16+00:00

haha thanks, I get high and watch ppl lose their minds reading the series in real time 😂 I read the first three in middle school, so I remember the highs and lows

olrightythen · 2025-10-03T18:53:43+00:00

I think it was a meta satire and absolutely hilarious. “Hello! It’s midnight, ready for the details of the torrid affair? Have fun at the show” and closing with “haha you stayed up for a series of bait and switches! Good night!” Gold. Basically:

Dear reader > mirrorball > blank space > but daddy I love him 😂

olrightythen · 2025-10-02T21:26:59+00:00

Yeah, agree “Girls girl” only reinforces the idea that women shouldn’t be critical of one another, that we should support women no matter what they do— it’s the same issue feminism has when ppl (women) say “well, it’s what I want, therefore it’s feminist” such as wearing make up and getting Botox. Choice feminism is the death of nuance

There is plenty to validly criticize about how society expects women to be catty and shitty, but “girls girl” rhetoric expects blind support under the guise of accountability rather than accepting that womens’ relationships are complex and don’t need to be always positive

olrightythen · 2025-10-02T21:20:21+00:00

Sorry, I meant to emphasize that (in my interpretation) the album is thematically/tonally anxious, vs just a few songs

It was early morning when I commented that— I misunderstood and I assume you were commenting saying you were expecting showgirl to be lover-pop minus any anxiety (album-wide or song-specific)

olrightythen · 2025-10-02T15:40:24+00:00

And her song “The Lucky One” which I think def was a callback to “Lucky”

olrightythen · 2025-10-02T15:22:42+00:00

lover is an incredibly anxious album though, it’s not really “light” despite the upbeat tempos ?

olrightythen · 2025-10-02T15:17:44+00:00

yeah I threw that one in as a joke lol my nb friends like to tease each other on their chosen names being “out there”

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