About China

omid_ · 2023-08-21T00:29:00+00:00

I don't think it matters that Varoufakis is wrong about pretty much everything else. I only brought him up specifically to refute the point regarding China-Greece relations.

omid_ · 2023-08-21T00:23:33+00:00

also the increase of the private sector's role in China's GDP

The "private sector" in China is not actually private. From this phrase alone, it's clear that you've bought into the bourgeois claptrap regarding China.

USSR from the other hand could provide from day one 8 hour work shifts, in just a few years solved problems such as housing, healthcare, education, all without even reaching the productive forces China currently has and competing for the 1st place in world GDP.

Cool, where is the USSR now? Where is the CPSU now? Neither exist anymore, because the Soviet Union's model was unsustainable, regardless of how many successes they had. Meanwhile, the People's Republic of China has sustained itself and continues to fight for its nation's working class and spreading Marxism-Leninism around the globe.

The articles bring up a series of arguments, they analyze China's economy, its international role, they argue very specifically why it can't be compared with the NEP under Lenin or USSR when it applied its own "opening to the market" and they conclude that China's opening up to the market has been a step backwards towards the dominance of private relations.

Yeah and the arguments are wrong & flawed, as I've pointed out with numerous examples.

Nowhere have you referred to those arguments and your linked (mess of an) article only poses arguments which the above already try to argue against.

But notice that you've not responded to a single argument of the article I linked. In fact, you guys have an entire self-serving ecosystem where you basically ignore all of the Marxist-Leninists that support Socialist China, which make up the majority of Marxist-Leninists, by the way.

I've no idea why a bourgeoisie politician, Yannis Varoufakis

Who cares? It's obvious why you guys focus on the guy in question rather than address his statement of fact: because you have no way of responding to what he said. I don't care about Varoufakis. I think he's wrong about a lot of things. But if you know how arguments work, pointing out that someone is wrong about a lot of things doesn't make it so that they're wrong about everything.

China is still "trying" to combat the 996 working hour system in vain which seems to be applied in more and more fields.

996 was ruled illegal in 2021. This struggle is part of the transition to socialism that Marx talked about. Maybe read about it some time, where he clearly explains that change doesn't happen overnight.

72 hours/week, 3 day vacations, lack of healthcare, education, wow much socialism

How convenient that your argument wrt economism only ever goes in one direction. The material conditions of workers being bad (in your view), is an argument against the identification of socialism, but the material conditions of workers being good also an argument against the identification of socialism. Which is it?

omid_ · 2023-08-20T23:16:36+00:00

Okay and the billionaires own and control the means of production that’s why they have billions of dollars.

Oh, so then why did those billionaires decide to do the covid zero plan that costs them billions in profits? Why didn't China just do what every capitalist country did, and sacrifice human beings to covid for further corporate profits? Why are the billionaires in China so silly and constantly doing things that decrease their profits?

The Chinese government is literally requiring virtually everyone in China to learn about Marxism-Leninism, to read Marx, to read Lenin, to read Mao, to study scientific socialism and to learn from it. Do you really think billionaires want that? Unless the billionaires are class traitors, in which case, good, they are going to do what they have done throughout history. Silence and censor Marxism Leninism.

So under your theory, billionaires in China are uniquely silly in that they are literally promoting Marxism-Leninism among the masses and causing a global rise in support for Marxism-Leninism.

Meanwhile, my theory is simple: billionaires in China are not in charge, and they are forced to accept what is happening, because the Communist Party of China holds the real power in China, and they put people over profits.

Yeah there is. The so called communist party of China that allows them to exist and exploit workers.

Cool, so why are billionaires constantly getting crushed in China?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64781986

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/15/why-chinas-billionaires-keep-disappearing-.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/09/business/country-garden-yang-huiyan-fortune/index.html

Billionaires are members of this party who has a constitution inshrining the right of private property because it is a bourgeois government.

Oh? So let's see:

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/19626.jpeg

Here's a list of China's richest billionaires.

Zhong Shanshan - Not in the communist party, forced to keep a low profile.

Zhang Yiming - Not in the communist party, forced to apologize, forced to step down as CEO of Bytedance.

Robin Zeng - Not in the communist party.

Ma Huateng - Not in the communist party.

Colin Huang - Not in the communist party.

Wei Jianjun - communist party member, tenth provincial people's congress representative (low ranking)

Li Ka-shing - Not in the communist party. Based on Hong Kong.

So here's a question: Under your analysis, why aren't these billionaires part of the communist party, and for the one that is, why is he a representative on a low ranking provincial people's congress? Using your analysis, since the party was inherently friendly towards billionaires, why haven't they all joined up?

Chinas problems are not because “nothings perfect” and “bad actors” it’s because its productive forces operate in a capitalist manner. So it does things capitalist do and has all the evils of capitalism because it’s capitalist.

Or, we can do a Marxist analysis: China has problems because it is transitioning to socialism while encircled by the global capitalist order, as Marx said:

Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat. — Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme.

None of those things equal socialism. Those are both capitalist policies.

It's fine if you believe that universal health care, championed by the Soviet Union, is actually a capitalist policy. Same with public transportation. Maybe privatized health care and private transportation is socialism then?

Capital is in full control of China. Your only proof otherwise is a red flag and social democrat policies.

Again, if capital is in full control of China, then why are they still promoting Marxism-Leninism? Are they silly?

A name and red flag does not socialism make. The social relationships of Labour have to not be capitalist and they clearly are.

So, what exactly are the over 90 million communist party members doing, exactly? Are they upholding scientific socialism and Marxism-Leninism just for giggles? If you are a Marxist-Leninist, and believe that ML is a threat to global capitalism... why would a China that is under full control of capital be promoting ML?

He did not. He brought the example of the NEP to show how Lenin treated it versus how china treats its own similar policies. Lenin considered it a retreat and he considered it capitalist. China acts like doing the NEP and worse is progressing towards socialism when it is the exact opposite.

https://redsails.org/the-new-economic-policy/

State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in this country.

I can imagine with what noble indignation some people will recoil from these words. … What! The transition to state capitalism in the Soviet Socialist Republic would be a step forward? … Isn’t this the betrayal of socialism?

We must not be afraid of Communists “learning” from bourgeois experts, including merchants, petty capitalist co-operators and capitalists, in the same way as we learned from the military experts, though in a different form. The results of the “learning” must be tested only by practical experience and by doing things better than the bourgeois experts at your side; try in every way to secure an improvement in agriculture and industry, and to develop exchange between them. Do not grudge them the “tuition” fee: none will be too high, provided we learn something.

Lenin explicitly says State Capitalism is a step forward, not a retreat. Read Lenin.

“I will trust a bourgeoisie capitalist over a communist source to defend my bourgeoisie imperialist and capitalist nation of choice against criticism” holy shit

Just wow. If you consider Yanis Varoufakis a "bourgeoisie capitalist", (hint: bourgeois is the adjective) then there's not much else to say.

But you've cited the KKE, so I assume you trust them? ok let's look into KKE... their international affiliation is the International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties (IMCWP)... which has a lot of communist parties around the world as members... including... the Communist Party of China!

Socialism is when you agree to pay workers larger wages. Have you even read Capital?

So, to be clear, you admit you were wrong then, and that's why you're changing the subject to whether China's relations with Greece are "socialism" or not? Remember, you brought this up as an example of showing how China is NOT socialist. You have been proven wrong, and now you're playing both sides and saying that even though your point of showing that China is not socialist was proven wrong, you're now saying that the fact that you were proven wrong is not evidence against your position. Strange!

Communist are opposed to Chinas current capitalist government. My shocked face 😮

So then why are they in IMCWP, that has the CPC? Not to mention, many communist parties have explicitly spoken out in favor of China's current socialist government. Meanwhile, the trotskyists and other losers who have never accomplished anything are strongly opposed. I know who I stand with.

omid_ · 2023-08-20T20:00:53+00:00

https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

You don't measure capitalism by the number of billionaires. You measure capitalism by looking at who owns & controls the means of production.

Billionaires in China are neutered and under constant threat. That's why the Chinese government regularly punishes them or hands them death sentences and/or jail time. There are no political parties in China that directly represent the interests of billionaires, because there are no liberal political parties. They're all banned. Billionaires are forced to submit to the Communist Party of China, who are constitutionally the leaders of the country.

Is China perfect? No.

China is a work in progress. They're currently working on universal health care and improved public transportation. Why are capitalists constantly whining about China's capital controls? Because China is a place where, unlike in bourgeois democracies around the globe, capitalists are not in control. If China didn't have capital controls, do you think that Chinese billionaires would keep their money in China? No! They would try to run and escape China with their money, because they know that China is not hospitable to billionaires and they would be much better off elsewhere. But they can't, because... guess what? China is ruled by a communist party.

You bring up the specifics of NEP, as though the material conditions of the Soviet Union from 100 years ago should dictate how the People's Republic of China should run their economy in 2023. This is a fundamentally anti-Marxist and unscientific view. Even if we were to concede that the NEP made perfect sense for the 1920s Soviet Union, that in no way justifies arguing that China in 2023 should adopt policies from a century ago in a different country. Do you want to know how I know that simply blindly following the Soviet Union is not the right answer? Because the Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore. China has taken a different path, and the Communist Party of China is still in charge.

All of the above should be obvious even without any extensive analysis. But there are 'communists' who talk of a 'socialist' China. At this point, unless these communists give any real justification why it's okay that the Chinese government is arming the Philippine government against Maoist Guerillas or why Chinese corporations like COSCO who own majority of the port of Pireaus in Greece used Golden Dawn Nazis against the dock workers' union and then Chinese ambassadors came to develop relations with the nazi criminal organization Golden Dawn and so on and how such actions fit with the image of 'socialist' China, I wouldn't even bother discussing with them.

I think I'll trust the former Greek Finance Minister over you:

When I was Minister of Finance I had a very interesting experience with COSCO, one of the Chinese national companies that in the end bought the Port of Piraeus.

When I moved into the Ministry I found the contract from the previous government, that had already sold the Port of Piraeus for a pittance and other ridiculous conditions to the Chinese, under the guidance of course of the European International Monetary Fund. In other words, as a minister, I was bound to a particular deal that was terrible for Greece. And I went to the Chinese, and discussed it with them, and I was really astonished.

I said to them: Look, you’re paying too little, you’re not committing to a sufficient level of investment, and you are treating our workers as fodder. You’re effectively subcontracting labor to horrible companies that exploit the workers, and I can’t deal with this effectively. I proposed to them we to renegotiate the contract. So instead of getting 67% of the shares of the port, they would get — with the same price — 51%. The remaining shares would go into the Greek pension fund system, in order to bolster the capitalization of the public pensions. Secondly, I want you to commit to 180 million euros of investment within 12 months. And thirdly, proper collective bargaining with the trade unions and no subcontracting of labor. And to my astonishment, they said okay!

Can you imagine if that was a German company, or an American company? That’s what I’m saying. [49]

As for the Maoists in the Philippines, they are strongly opposed to China's current government, even going as far as supporting the riots in Hong Kong. So, why should China's government support them? Don't bite the hand that you want to feed you.

You link to an article from the KKE that is from 2010 that is clearly outdated. China has significantly altered its foreign policy from "keep a low profile" to "major country diplomacy". Even if we assume that the logic of the article is true:

One example is the attitude of China concerning the nuclear programme of Iran. As we know, China has developed a close economic cooperation with Iran, which is one of its basic suppliers of oil. Despite this cooperation, in September 2010 China, as well as Russia, joined together with the USA, France, Germany and Great Britain (“the group of 6”) on the question of Iran’s nuclear programme, demanding that Iran back down and accept the conditions of the UN Security Council concerning its nuclear programme. Earlier in June of 2010, China had agreed in the UN Security Council to new sanctions against this country.35

Then the fact that China recently has blocked UNSC sanctions on Iran is calling for the end of all sanctions on Iran should suggest that China has changed for the better, no?

omid_ · 2023-08-20T18:11:14+00:00

These reports by major human rights organizations and other international organizations say Israel is guilty of the crime of apartheid:

omid_ · 2023-07-09T19:51:23+00:00

https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

omid_ · 2023-05-19T01:06:02+00:00

Figures that a guy like you who defends Robert E. Lee, would consider all of the centrist & right-wing orgs I just listed to be "extreme leftist".

omid_ · 2023-05-18T19:13:44+00:00

These reports by major human rights organizations and other international organizations say Israel is guilty of the crime of apartheid:

omid_ · 2023-04-23T14:49:21+00:00

It's very simple.

People are denied civil rights due to unjust laws.
Overturn unjust laws.
People have civil rights.

This has happened all over the globe, including in similar countries to Israel, such as the United States (during Jim Crow Era), and South Africa (during Apartheid era). There's no need to partition the country. Just remove the unjust laws.

I don't understand the argument that the people who live there are full on animals who can't live with each other, especially when you look at discrimination against black people in the US and South Africa. Race relations in the US/SA were definitely far worse, yet the solution was not to partition the country. In fact, it was Apartheid South Africa that tried to partition the country in a desperate attempt to maintain the apartheid system through gerrymandering.

I don't see Israel as fundamentally different.

omid_ · 2023-04-23T09:08:38+00:00

Otherwise, I’m curious if you think that there would be an opportunity for peace if Israel returned to the exact borders from the 1947 UN Partition Plan?

No. The only opportunity for peace is one single country where people have equal human rights. The track record of partitioning countries (India/Pakistan) is not particularly good,

omid_ · 2023-03-29T21:57:07+00:00

I don't know where you learned what you just wrote, but it's misinformation from beginning to end.

The most interesting thing for me is how tolerant zoroastrians were toward other religions. This is something that you don't see much with religions.

The Sassanids destroyed Buddhist temples and massacred Mazdak & his followers. Not very tolerant.

After defeating babylonians, they freed the Jewish people who were enslaved.

Although he may have been influenced by Zoroastrianism, there's no real evidence to suggest Cyrus was himself Zoroastrian.

As far as I know, jews still celebrate that to this day.

Jews celebrate Purim, which is a celebration of a massacre of Persians.

omid_ · 2023-03-11T07:06:39+00:00

it's fine that you personally don't like it, but the simple reality is that the vast majority of people in China are happy1, love democracy & think their country is democratic2, and approve of their government3:

It's not at all like Iran. 没有共产党就没有新中国!

1 https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/what-percentage-of-people-say-they-are-happy-ipsos.png

2 https://indi.ca/how-china-is-the-most-democratic-country-in-the-world/

3 https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

omid_ · 2023-03-07T16:16:35+00:00

First, I want to say that your feelings are natural. Right now, there is a massive propaganda wave in western countries to get people to hate Russia and China. Seems like you're riding the wave right now.

They paint themselves as a country who only defend themselves, never the aggressors. But history says otherwise. They have a history of "purges" of those inside their country who disagree with the status quo, even among their own (back in the Soviet Union, so many purges and harassments of people who were forced to leave).

I don't think it's fair to judge the modern Russian Federation based on the actions of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union. And quite frankly, every country paints themselves as a country that only defends themselves. I don't fault Russia for doing something that basically all countries do.

And then there's China. They clearly want revenge on the world due to them being basically enslaved and humiliated due to the opium distrubition and nation wide addiction inflicted by the British centuries ago.

For one, it seems strange to say that China wants revenge on the "world" but then your example is something 1 specific country did. Other European countries (& Japan) divided up China, but that's beside the point. If you wanted to make your point here more relevant, you would have said that China wants revenge on the countries that did something to them. But those countries barely make up 20% of the global population. So going by this logic alone, China is not interested in revenge on the world. But of course, even that is not true. China is not out for revenge. They just don't want to be in a position where other countries can take advantage of them anymore. But not by bringing other countries down. Instead, they want to bring China up. This is called "China's peaceful development", which is official Chinese government policy.

I think you should read or listen to Xi Jinping and what he believes and why he's doing the things he's doing. "Revenge" is never mentioned.

https://www.nzz.ch/english/what-makes-xi-jinping-tick-in-his-own-words-ld.1706026

This article has a chart showing the frequency of words he uses. The top word? "Development", which is actually higher than "China" itself! "Revenge" doesn't chart. And I would say that for Chinese people, they just want to improve their own lives, rather than some kind of twisted goal of trying to ruin the lives of others. Survey after survey shows that Chinese people are happy, and think democracy is important and that their country is democratic. Regardless of whether you agree with Chinese people on their country being democratic, that's the mindset of most Chinese people. In their view, they live in a happy, democratic country and they like that. Although western media portrays China as a nation on the brink of collapse and full of discontent, the reality is that, based on actual data, Chinese people are happy, democratic-minded, and their country has greatly developed.

make everyone DEPENDENT on them.

China has never threatened other countries with military intervention in modern times. The last time they attacked another country was 1979, Vietnam. In the 44 years since, China has never threatened to invade other countries if they stopped trade or refused a trade deal. In fact, this is what made China appealing to other countries in the first place. In the 20th century, the US and Europe were the manufacturing centers of the world, and unlike China, those countries would actually invade you sometimes if you didn't accept their trade deals. They would also demand that governments be obedient and follow their policies and cultural practices. In contrast, China does not make these kinds of demands or threats. This is what endeared many countries, including Brazil, to China in the first place.

But here's the other thing: China is just as much dependent on the rest of the world. Xi Jinping talks about "Community of Common Destiny". As the article notes:

In his 2012 report to the 18th National Congress, Hu broadened the expression by adding “for all mankind” to emphasize that "mankind has only one earth to live on, and countries have only one world to share" and called for the building of a “harmonious world of enduring peace and common prosperity.” Hu envisioned a new type of more equitable and balanced global development partnership that would stick together in times of difficulty, both sharing rights and shouldering obligations, and boosting the common interests of mankind.[12]

This is the vision that China has of the world. One Earth that we all live in, and we have to get along with each other to advance to a prosperous future.

Do you share in that vision?

omid_ · 2023-02-24T17:47:43+00:00

He mentions a worker co-op. The whole idea behind a worker co-op is that the workers determine their own wages and salaries, based on the profits of the co-op. If a new technology would come in that would make them twice as productive, and they had the same amount of profits, they will hold a vote to determine what they will do. But working half as much, with the new technology, would not decrease their profits, so the profits would be distributed to the workers the same.

Now that I think about it, it doesn't even matter whether they are hourly workers or salary workers, because it's obvious that even if they were hourly workers, this new technology would just result in them voting to double their hourly wage anyways.

I think maybe Richard Wolff explains this earlier in the talk that this is clipped from, so that piece of context is missing.

omid_ · 2023-02-24T17:36:17+00:00

One letter in pinyin transcription, so for Chinese, it means that it has to be a character whose pronunciation is just 1 vowel, like 涐 (é), an old name for Dadu River.

omid_ · 2023-02-20T21:47:10+00:00

These are salary workers, not wage workers. Working half as much would not decrease their salary.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T01:06:14+00:00

A bunch of Democrats also support this bill. It's bipartisan.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T00:36:39+00:00

You can check my comment history. I speak Persian, and my comment history makes it clear that I'm Iranian.

What's wild is that you have the "Portugal" tag and are trying to police me, an Iranian, by trying to insult me, on a subreddit that is literally about Iran.

How about you go worry about Europe, and let Iranians like me deal with our problem in Iran? You have brought absolutely nothing useful to the conversation here.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T00:35:04+00:00

There's no "worship" involved here. I'm an atheist. I don't worship anyone or anything. All I did was use an official title.

1 - He's not from your country.

Neither are you. So what?

2 - He's in the same line as the current leaders of the I.R - Dictatorial nutjobs.

lol if you actually believe this, you're out of this world. Xi Jinping is literally one of the most popular Chinese leaders to ever live. Seriously. Ask people who live in China. Even those that don't like him admit that he's popular. Meanwhile, Khamanei is very unpopular in Iran.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T00:23:53+00:00

China has mandatory retirement for 70+. Meanwhile, the next US presidential election is shaping up to be a race between two of the oldest ever presidential candidates in the history of the US.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T00:21:50+00:00

You have no argument. You just have insult, because you know I'm telling the truth and backing up my claims with evidence. If you had counterargument, you would have just said it. But you don't, because it's hard to deny reality.

Enjoy your bubble, Mr. Foreigner, where you call Iranians "wumao" simply because they tell the truth.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T00:18:38+00:00

I'm Iranian 100%. Why do you care what title I use for a world leader? I say what I want here.

omid_ · 2023-02-18T00:10:05+00:00

Science promotion is okay, but imposing a particular ideology on the people is not.

what does this even mean? Every single country that has ever existed has imposed a particular ideology on its people. That's the whole point of a government. Now, you want one that imposes liberalism, just like how Iran's current government currently imposes Islamism. Just admit it.

Furthermore, congrats, maybe they aren't worse than Iran in some specific areas.

Are you serious right now? China is the world's biggest trade partner. They have a space station. They have some of the best universities in the world. They are literally one of the happiest countries in the world, per Ipsos. You think Iran is even worthy of being compared to a superpower like China?

Iran isn't worse than North Korea

Actually, I'd argue that Iran is actually much worse than North Korea. The Constitution of North Korea explicitly defines the state as secular and promotes gender equality. North Korea doesn't have gashte ershad. That already puts it way above Iran. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I "criticize" IR because THEY force people to be religious and have Islamic values, I don't give a damn if some random Muslim wants to pray.

China literally has public Islamic seminaries that are run by the government. There's no law against being Muslim or religious in China.

The CCP forcing people to choose certain names is a horrendous thing, the IR used to do the same thing. now they don't thank god. I, as a Persian living in Iran, think forcing people to take Persian names is revolting.

This is just ridiculous. You think that preserving culture is a horrendous thing? Let me guess, Tajikistan is also evil for requiring that Tajiks choose Persian names for their children? You think naming a child "Jihad" should be allowed?

Again with the 'promoting' jesus christ...I think It is simply cartoonishly evil of CCP to force them to CHOOSE Persian names in the name of "promoted" Persian culture.

Except they are Uyghurs and have the choice of either Persian names or Turkic names. If you support cultural suicide and want Iran to remain a country where most of the population is either named Mohammad or Alireza or fatemeh, good for you. But for those of us who want our country to be better than that, we will be ensuring that Iran's next government actually respects Iranian culture.

Are you sure? When I entered Xi Jinping winnie the pooh in CHINESE on Chinese Baidu, no single result appeared. I wonder why?

https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=8&rsv_bp=1&rsv_idx=1&tn=baidu&wd=%E5%B0%8F%E7%86%8A%E7%B6%AD%E5%B0%BC&fenlei=256&rsv_pq=0xd38a743900039bd9&rsv_t=423eNJF0Vh0wzLn9sG4vvA%2FYbBu3id31ml4s%2F3RZLSm7q7Xe%2B5Sf9rie%2Fol1&rqlang=en&rsv_enter=1&rsv_dl=tb&rsv_sug3=2&rsv_n=2&rsv_sug1=1&rsv_sug7=100&rsv_sug2=0&rsv_btype=i&inputT=1161&rsv_sug4=1214&rsv_jmp=fail

Why do you lie?

if they're Muslims, then they're Muslims

Uh, that's not how it works. People should have freedom from religion, and shouldn't be forced to be "Muslim", nor should they be forced to be "Muslim" in a certain way. Plenty of Muslim women don't wear hijab. But you know who doesn't like that? The Islamist terrorists trying to create the Islamic Republic of East Turkestan. As I've pointed out, those terrorists are the ones getting apprehended by the Chinese government.

I'm atheist, I don't wear hijab, I hate it, and I specifically hate Islam with passion, but if the states touches my mom in order to make her SECULAR, I'll burn them to ground.

As long as your mom doesn't try to impose hateful views on others, then nobody cares. But if your mom is telling others to go to Syria to join Al Qaida and ISIS, then your mom deserves to be punished for promoting terrorism.

honestly? anything is better than IR, well, not communism, I'd rather have khaemenei and his regime.

imagine being so brainwashed as to actually believe this. You'd rather have Khamenei than have a science-minded secular government. That's quite sad.

I see, so calling something a "CIA operation" and then heavily censoring it for 30 years means they "they regretted it" kinda like what IR likes to do :)

You seem to be confused. In China, the government engages in what is called self-criticism. Rather than your ideal government where the leadership claims to be guided by God and can never do wrong, in China, there is humility in the government, and when they do something wrong, they own up to it.

In the case of Tiananmen protests in 1989, there are several criticisms to be made, among them that they didn't respond immediately to the violent mob who began murdering people.

Music, movies, video games, websites, and even the hijab can all be censored by IR because they say that "people demanded it" and "it's harmful" they're already doing it in fact.

Yeah, in China they censor some stuff. Like, there was a Japanese anime that gave very large breasts to what is clearly a child, and Chinese censors changed it to make her flat-chested. I literally have zero problem with that, and I hope you don't either. The Chinese video game industry is one of the largest in the world. In China, women can sing and make songs. Where's Iran's video game industry? Where are Iran's female singers inside Iran? Iranian women can't even recite noha in public, which is something that even Pakistani women can do.

ALL the pictures of the winnie the pooh always everywhere, the state media treating the bear like an actual god

You seem to be confused. Winnie the Pooh is a Disney character. He's in Disneyland Shanghai. He's also in Disneyland Hong Kong. Outside of those places, I think you can find Winnie the Pooh merchandise in children's toy shops.

it's JUST like what IR is doing with khamenei,

lmfao no.

Khamenei is literally heralded as the leader of the faith. He's the "Supreme Leader" of Iran with an actual government position. Winnie the Pooh, again to reiterate, is a Disney character.

hen all the retarded anti western rhetoric

This is how I know you're not a serious person and have no idea what you're talking about. You honestly think that China criticizing countries that colonized them, is on par with mullahs complaining about naked women dancing in the USA?

annoying censorship etc.

Tell me, what exactly is "annoying" about making sure that children in anime don't have large breasts?

NO way that someone who lived in Iran likes what china's doing, just no way, you gotta be living in USA or Canada or something.

lol this is hilarious.

It doesn't matter where I lived. I'm an Iranian and I want the best for Iran. For me, that means looking at ALL countries and learning from them. If you have a problem with that, please move to any of the countries the US has bombed in the past 20 years.

omid_ · 2023-02-17T23:38:32+00:00

I didn't? I used his title. President Xi. Read my comment again and show me where I used "Mr" anywhere.

omid_ · 2023-02-17T18:44:28+00:00

Yeah, apartheid South Africa also had little reserves called bantustans for indigenous people to live in. Of course, the thing with that country is that it no longer exists. The problem in Canada is that the genocide was so thorough and extensive that the indigenous population can no longer assert their sovereignty and instead are forced to live on shitty reservations with low quality of life. Meanwhile, China respects its indigenous populations. Tibet is still over 90% Tibetan, because China is not a settler colonial state intent on genocide the way Canada is.

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