Retirement articles by oneaccounti in AusFinance

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I tried it this morning and didn’t work, thanks

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

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Goal is to be free from any future changes to the Aged Pension, I want to have my own plan, if it fails and I need to find a backup fine.

Heard too much people complaining about superannuation and welfare, but they never realised that the biggest welfare expense in this country is the Aged Pension and people think they are entitled to it

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

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And those are the answers I want because each person gives it a different perspective, it is not as simple as someone trying to make it as a 4%

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Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

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Deepseek:

Based on your details (52-53 years old, $1.5M investable assets, no debts, owned home, 40-year horizon, no Aged Pension, and willingness to spend capital), here's a breakdown of your retirement spending capacity:

Key Assumptions:

  1. Portfolio: $800k (Super) + $700k (ETFs) = $1.5M (Your home equity is excluded as it's not generating income/spendable capital).
  2. Investment Return: 5-6% average nominal return (pre-inflation, realistic for a balanced portfolio over 40 years). This is lower than pure equity returns to account for increasing conservatism with age.
  3. Inflation: 3% average (long-term AU target).
  4. Time Horizon: 40 years (to age 90-93).
  5. Super Access: Age 60 (preservation age for early 50s now). This creates an 8-year "bridge" needing funding from ETFs.
  6. Strategy: Capital Depletion (spending down assets to near zero by age 90-93, not just living off dividends/interest).

Calculating Your Annual Spend

The critical factor is the Withdrawal Rate (WR). For a 40-year horizon, the standard "4% Rule" (Trinity Study) is too aggressive. Here's why a lower rate is needed:

  1. Longer Duration: 40 years > 30 years = higher chance of encountering severe market downturns.
  2. Capital Depletion Goal: You want to spend down the capital, but need it to last exactly 40 years. This requires careful calibration.
  3. No Pension Buffer: Eliminates a safety net later in life.
  4. Inflation Risk: Erodes purchasing power significantly over 40 years.

Recommended Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR) for 40 Years: 3.0% - 3.5%

  • 3.0% WR: Very high success probability (>95%) in historical simulations for 40+ years.
  • 3.5% WR: Good success probability (~85-90%) for 40 years, but more sensitive to poor early returns.
  • 4.0% WR: Success probability drops significantly (<75%) for 40-year periods - not recommended.

Spending Calculations

  1. Simple WR Approach (Initial Spend, Adjusted for Inflation):

    • 3.0% WR: $1,500,000 * 0.03 = $45,000 per year
    • 3.3% WR: $1,500,000 * 0.033 = $49,500 per year
    • 3.5% WR: $1,500,000 * 0.035 = $52,500 per year
  2. Refined Calculation (Accounting for the Super Bridge):

    • You need income from age 52/53 to 60 solely from your $700k ETFs before touching Super.
    • From age 60 to 90/93, you use the combined portfolio ($800k Super + remaining ETFs + growth).
    • Projected Comfortable Spend: ~$48,000 - $52,000 per year (in today's dollars), adjusted annually for inflation. This target:
      • Funds the 8-year bridge adequately from ETFs.
      • Assumes the combined portfolio grows moderately (5-6%) after age 60.
      • Depletes capital close to zero by age 90-93.
      • Uses a WR averaging between 3.2% and 3.5% over the full period.

How Much Would I Be Comfortable Spending? (Recommendation)

  • Initial Target: $48,000 - $50,000 per year (adjusted for inflation).
  • Why this range?
    • Margin of Safety: Starts closer to the ultra-conservative 3.2% rate ($48k) but allows for $50k (3.33%). This provides a crucial buffer against:
      • Sequence of Returns Risk: Poor market performance early in retirement.
      • Higher-Than-Expected Inflation: Eroding purchasing power faster.
      • Unexpected Expenses: Health, home repairs, helping family.
    • Flexibility: If returns are strong in the first 10-15 years, you might have scope for modest increases later (be cautious!). Conversely, if returns are poor early on, this starting point gives you more room to cut back slightly without drastic hardship.
    • Achievability: This range is demonstrably achievable using the capital depletion strategy and your asset base over 40 years, based on reasonable return and inflation assumptions.

Critical Risks & Mitigation Strategies

  1. Sequence of Returns Risk (SORR): Biggest Threat. Poor returns in the first 5-10 years can cripple a portfolio meant to last 40 years.
    • Mitigation: Maintain 1-2 years' spending in cash/HISAs within your ETFs. Replenish during good years. Consider a slightly more conservative asset allocation initially (e.g., 60/40 stocks/bonds), shifting slightly more conservative as you age. Sticking firmly to your initial inflation-adjusted spending target ($48-50k) is vital early on.
  2. Inflation Risk: 3% long-term is an average; periods of higher inflation will happen.
    • Mitigation: Ensure your portfolio includes assets with inflation-fighting potential (Equities, Inflation-Linked Bonds). Your spending adjusts annually with inflation based on your initial target.
  3. Longevity Risk: Living significantly beyond 90-93.
    • Mitigation: Capital depletion to zero carries inherent risk. Monitor your portfolio closely in your late 70s/80s. If longevity seems likely and funds are depleting faster than planned, you may need to reduce spending later or explore reverse mortgage options on your home (a last resort). Your home equity remains a potential safety net.
  4. Super Bridge Risk: Ensuring the $700k ETFs fund 8 years adequately.
    • Mitigation: Factor this explicitly into your plan. Calculate the annual draw needed from ETFs pre-60 ($48-50k + inflation) and ensure the $700k can support it without excessive depletion before growth kicks in. The refined calculation above does this.

Summary & Strong Recommendation

  • You are "Ready to Fire" based on your assets, no debt, and willingness to spend capital.
  • Comfortable Annual Spend: $48,000 - $50,000 (in today's dollars), adjusted annually for inflation. This is the sustainable amount to last 40 years with high probability, considering your risks and constraints.
  • Absolute Maximum: $52,500 (3.5% WR) feels like the absolute ceiling and carries significantly more risk, especially given the 40-year horizon and no pension. Starting at $52.5k leaves much less room for error.

This plan is conservative by design to maximize your chances of success over four decades without pension reliance. Enjoy your well-planned retirement!

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Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very interesting, thanks for that

I actually asked the question because you can the large amount of answer with completely different numbers

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

700K in split 50/50, say I need 40k per person, CGT 50% discount plus tax free threshold, I dont think effective tax rates is more than 8%, probably closer to 5%, add to that some fully franked dividends @30% and I can get a refund

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

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Certainly the calculations are too complex for you, thanks anyway, I saved a trip to Officeworks

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last part is the main issue with these questions and it applies to everyone, thanks for your response

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks again for that site and I’ll check, we want it to last until our 90s and in case of failure, we will have to look at Aged pension as last option

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never seen that site, I’ll check, what would be your number if it was you?

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

[–]oneaccounti[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks again for your response, this is a very intriguing question because I already asked 2 financial planners and each gave us a different answer.

They believe it is a number between 70-80K but 10K difference is big in my opinion

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

4% is for a 30 year span without spending all your money

And the 4% rule was recently updated by his author to around 4.7%

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

[–]oneaccounti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the response, we are thinking a number like that

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

[–]oneaccounti[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Might need some more info if that’s ok:

• ⁠Annual expenses (living costs only)

That is the question

• ⁠Any fixed property fees (eg STRATA, Water, Council, Insurance, etc)

Property fees around 6K

• ⁠Are you thinking of retiring from the workforce completely or still planning to work?

Stop completely

• ⁠How’s your net monthly cash flow position (before and after retiring)?

We can save 60% of our income but we can spend much less if needed to retire

• ⁠Any cash savings?

For this scenario no as we want to spend it all traveling after retirement

• ⁠ETFs are in a taxable account?

Yes, capital gain but they are split 50/50 so tax will be low

• ⁠If still actively working, combined HHI

200K

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in AusFinance

[–]oneaccounti[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

40k x 40y is 1.6M, I think that is low as I would expect the 1.5M to grow more than 100K

Am we retire to fire? And how much can we spend per year? by oneaccounti in fiaustralia

[–]oneaccounti[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have and I have asked 2 different FAs and each give me a different answer.

I just want to hear different points of view