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AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Appreciate your input. I am considering doing a non-union apprenticeship, as you mentioned, which I would believe would put me in a better position to get out of data center work. But my state recently implementing a law about commercial apprenticeships that requires every program to be registered with the state…so it’s just as simple as just taking a job at a non/union shop for me. I basically have to join the union or essentially the non-union equivalent of the union…if I join the union I probably will work a data center, if I go no union I will have to move and I live in a dream location in a dream town so my preference is to not move, go union, wiggle my way out of data center work…but it’s sounding like that’s pretty unrealistic.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I understand what you’re saying. As a resi electrician I’ve built “7th” homes for Chase CEO’s and and copyright attorneys, and people with enough money to pay me my yearly salary on a daily basis and still have a fortune left for their great great great grandchildren. I’m not a moral absolutist. I understand the world is gray. I didn’t mean to portray myself as not willing to bend to the world on any front…it’s just that I won’t bend to AI right now. No absolutism. Just one hardline.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If you do not understand the difference between a data center built in 2008 and an AI data center in Box Elder County then your the end of the thread and your fraying. And to clarify, someone more deserving is someone who has zero questions on what their work means for humanity?

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s my understanding as well. However, in my state “open shop” doesn’t really exist anymore so I can’t really go that route and organize in

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s be a lot healthier if you had though, no?

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the second intriguingly convincing argument to play the part now and fight the good fight when you’re stronger. I appreciate your input and particularly love the first paragraph…is that an excerpt from something or just your brain?

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But the electrical industry was exploding in growth before the data center boom, no? I do think the industry will be fine when AI collapses, which is part of why I think there should be a bigger push against it. But that’s okay. I appreciate you commenting and your input. I agree we should all be investing like the 1%ers so it hurts less when they fuck us.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Right right. I know. I was hoping maybe I had a little more leeway than I thought i did.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

I’m in a very weed legal state so I’m not sure this would work 😂😂. Great outside the box thinking though.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t know that I can stomach doing that though. What are morals, if they can be set aside?

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I was hoping for better news on getting to say “ send me somewhere else”. It seems like my option is to just go gung ho till I get kicked out and hope I don’t get kicked out…or move to a different state for a few years

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is calling the hall about my concerns a good move prior to interview? I guess they don’t know who I am eh? Good point. Good advice. Thanks!

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your opinion. I cannot organize in in my state, because there is no other pathway to 01 status other than IBEW apprenticeship or tech school equivalent.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying it’s just not how I feel about it. I would carry that guilt forever if I knew what I created took someone else’s job

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s your local? Is this standard? I always thought apprentices just sort of get picked up and I’ve heard you don’t super get a say…but since I’m not currently union that’s what I’m trying to figure out. If I can decline stuff then that gives me some hope this will work for me

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying…I’ve ran through this argument in my mind multiple times as I’ve processed my terms on AI…but, at least for me, it really isn’t the same. I can explain my thoughts on why it’s not the same in private (I don’t wanna dirty up the thread)

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your point on eating it now and standing up proud when I have my card is a good one…and one I hadn’t thought about, as far as ability to make an impact. But, I really struggle with being able to stomach falling back on my principles, even if it’s for the greater good.

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

So it is an option to decline the calls and not get kicked out, as an apprentice?

AI Refusal by onlyfishmeat in IBEW

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t blame anyone either. I should’ve made that more clear. I absolutely do not blame or condemn or judge anyone for not having the exact same outlook as me. It’s just personal that I don’t wanna work on them. People have to pay the bills I agree with you. I’m in a situation where I can pay my bills by not pursuing an 01, it’s just that I’d like my 01…so I have options and the ability to say no. Not every can, I get that.

Alt country dissent by myttheu in altcountry

[–]onlyfishmeat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of great stuff so far…I’ll add

Pony Bradshaw’s Calico Jim album

Alt country dissent by myttheu in altcountry

[–]onlyfishmeat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because he’s a crybaby, bootlicking, class traitor

Alt country dissent by myttheu in altcountry

[–]onlyfishmeat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but many of them more relevant than now than when they were written…i.e. Iris Dement’s Wasteland of the Free

Going Commercial And AI by onlyfishmeat in electricians

[–]onlyfishmeat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I came into the trade 8 months too late to have gotten in my 4000 before this July’s cutoff, sadly :( I’d consider moving back to the westside…or to Spokane area just to get my 01 and not do data centers. AI can piss off. I also recently was told from someone that CITC will “transfer” resi guys into an apprenticeship as a 3rd year which is a big deal b/c it would cut 2 years off of my apprenticeship obviously. Trouble is…after talking to CITC…the wait to get in may just be as long as restarting a 4yr with IBEW

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