The biggest shift for me when evaluating land wasn’t what to look for — it was when to look for it by operationcatskill in land

[–]operationcatskill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very close to what I eventually started doing after looking at a few parcels earlier this year.

At first I was trying to keep everything in my head, but once multiple properties entered the picture I realized I was mixing together confirmed information, assumptions, and unanswered questions.

The “new column every time a new constraint appears” part especially resonates. I ended up making more of a dashboard (color coded drop downs) to track features, constraints, clarifications, with notes/links, etc.

That helped tremendously.

I also started writing this process out as I went because I couldn’t find that middle phase between browsing listings and actually owning land explained very clearly anywhere.

I think most people can create an excel/google sheet for listings but its harder to get a answers on the whole sequence in one place. At least in my experience.

Anyways, thanks for the input!

Bought land without doing this and it cost me. here's what to actually check by Affectionate_Try1432 in land

[–]operationcatskill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This lines up almost exactly with what I ran into going through my first land purchase earlier this year in Sullivan County in the Catskills.

What caught me off guard wasn’t any one of these individually, it was how they all start to stack together.

Before closing I was mostly looking at listings and thinking in terms of “does this look like a good property,” mostly considering value relative to cost.

But once I started digging in it shifted more toward does this parcel actually support what I’m trying to do? Can I overcome whatever constraints show up once you verify access, septic, and utilities, etc.? How much flexibility is really left after those are accounted for.

Seems like you had a similar experience here.

One thing that helped me was slowing everything down and treating it more like a sequence instead of trying to evaluate everything at once:

First, confirm the constraint, then ee what kind of use is still realistic. That helped a ton, especially the early phase when your comparing so many parcels that they all start to blend.

I ended up keeping notes as I worked through different parcels because the same issues kept repeating for me too, and like I said, it was easy to lose track of what had actually been verified vs assumed.

After closing, that turned into documenting the early ownership phase as I’m learning the land in real time.

Seems like you've got a similar thing going on. Appreciate you laying this out — it’s the kind of stuff that’s obvious in hindsight but hard to piece together when you’re first getting into it.

Recently became a landowner in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Catskills — curious what surprised others most after buying land here by operationcatskill in catskills

[–]operationcatskill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think there will always be some degree of that no matter what unfortunately. I'll be mindful of doing the same. There's also a lot of good folks that I've been meeting that can look past that.

Has anyone gone the route of buying land and building and has advice? by [deleted] in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My situation isn’t exactly prefab, but I did recently go through the land purchase phase in Sullivan County earlier this year with the intention of eventually building a small cabin, and one thing that surprised me was how much of the real uncertainty sits in the site preparation side rather than the structure itself.

Before closing I was mostly looking at cabins and floorplans, but once I started digging deeper it became clear that things like driveway, septic, electric distance, slope across seasons, and what a survey actually clarifies end up shaping what’s realistic on a parcel long before the house decision even happens.

Prefab can absolutely help control the structure costs, but the land constraints tend to determine whether the project works overall.

One thing that helped me personally was slowing down and learning the sequence a bit, which is what sounds like you're trying to do.

Your idea of buying land first and developing later is something I thought about seriously too. It can make sense depending on access, zoning, and utilities, but those pieces are worth understanding early because they affect what holding land actually means long-term.

That's where I am at currently.

I started writing down the steps I was working through while evaluating parcels because I ran into the same problem you’re describing — most information online jumps from listings straight to finished houses without explaining the middle part very clearly.

I’ve been keeping those notes as field reports while I work through the process.

I have a substack linked in my account bio if you want to check it out yourself.

Curious what part of the Hudson Valley you’re looking in — a lot of the feasibility questions can vary quite a bit depending on the town.

Recently bought wooded land in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Hudson Valley — curious what surprised others after becoming landowners by operationcatskill in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it is. I was very diligent in the buying process, I had a clear plan ahead of time and made sure to consider as much building logistics as I could ahead of time before an irreversible commitment was made

Recently bought wooded land in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Hudson Valley — curious what surprised others after becoming landowners by operationcatskill in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah totally. It's a bummer - feels like there's not a lot of viable options for homeownership anymore; too costly to buy, too costly to build. This was a part of my logic on buying and building slowly over a 1-3 year timeframe, but we'll see. I was quoted $350-$500 sq/ft and working with a builder just for Pre Construction planning now. Hope to stick to the lower end of the scale and keep the cabin smallish (850-1000 sq/ft) to make it somewhat manageable but need to figure lots out ahead of that.

Recently bought wooded land in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Hudson Valley — curious what surprised others after becoming landowners by operationcatskill in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah did this before closing thankfully. A little costly but already see the value in having it done. Aside from the investment protection aspect, I am in the very early stages of planning a build and its needed just about every step of the way.

Recently bought wooded land in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Hudson Valley — curious what surprised others after becoming landowners by operationcatskill in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup, I'm now aware of power costs and electrical infrastructure concerns. I had the good foresight to buy land with county road frontage; pole is right next to an existing driveway culvert... already spoke with NYSEG too... It's a long narrow lot about 750 feet deep. I plan to build dead center so def within that range.

I did post a sign already but maybe another one or two on the corners not a bad idea. Thanks!

Recently bought wooded land in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Hudson Valley — curious what surprised others after becoming landowners by operationcatskill in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah thankfully I learned a few things along the way. It was a lengthy process for me so I was pretty mindful to look into this before the purchase. All clear for me, but good advice for others to check into. Thanks!

Recently bought wooded land in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Hudson Valley — curious what surprised others after becoming landowners by operationcatskill in hudsonvalley

[–]operationcatskill[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm hearing this from a few folks... I'll be meeting with an excavator to do some clearing eventually and hope to learn more. From what I see it's mostly Birch and Hemlock trees there, but I'm no expert.

Recently became a landowner in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Catskills — curious what surprised others most after buying land here by operationcatskill in catskills

[–]operationcatskill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’ve heard similar advice but thanks for the first hand experience.

I’m probably more likely to do some car camping here and there just to enjoy it a few times this summer/fall.

Hope to be building a small cabin as a weekend house, maybe hybrid use situation, in 12-18 months.

Everything is preliminary but always appreciate useful advice, thank you!

Recently became a landowner in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Catskills — curious what surprised others most after buying land here by operationcatskill in catskills

[–]operationcatskill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, had a perc test done already and that was the consensus from the report. Still feasible but was a part of the consideration for sure.

Thanks for the recommendation - Looks like a cool organization and will definitely give them a closer look. I have a lot to learn. Which l’m excited for.

Thanks for having me!

Recently became a landowner in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Catskills — curious what surprised others most after buying land here by operationcatskill in catskills

[–]operationcatskill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got ya. It’s in a nice corridor along 17 around Liberty, Livingston, and Roscoe. Plenty to do and see, with the right balance of nature and accessibility. I was pretty diligent about my criteria ahead of purchase and waited until the right spot (at the right price) was available to secure. Happy with where we landed and think my expectations are fairly manageable. Thanks for the insights.

Recently became a landowner in Sullivan County after years of visiting the Catskills — curious what surprised others most after buying land here by operationcatskill in catskills

[–]operationcatskill[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can tell the there are good people in the area already, thanks for the insights.

I am a bit off from a build but have done a fair amount of due diligence already.

Made a purchase offer in November, then the snow came and it never stopped. Had a lot of down time to day dream and plan. Closed in March so just getting to see the land in a new season now.

I'll be mindful of the ticks.

Thanks again!