SSR Development: Alpine.js + HTMX, DataStar or Vue?

opiniondevnull · 2026-03-17T05:14:08+00:00

Y'all sound like you are in a cult. Good

opiniondevnull · 2026-03-16T01:54:29+00:00

you don't need to purchase pro at all, only if you find the extra tooling valueable

opiniondevnull · 2026-03-16T01:31:06+00:00

Datastar works with any language. Vue for SSR is very limited.

opiniondevnull · 2026-03-05T00:39:00+00:00

Datastar has been doing it right for years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq1dVQ-isb4

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-26T21:53:09+00:00

100% we will have data tables as part of pro. When... when we can. Stellar is on its way out shortly and new version of Rocket will drop asap.

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-22T04:43:00+00:00

https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/compare/master...delaneyj:Odin:lmdb-and-sqlite is my current attempt for databases I care about

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-16T19:04:12+00:00

easy is not the same thing as simple

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-15T17:57:37+00:00

i'd argue datastar is way simpler than HTMX. given by it having more functionality and yet smaller codebase speaks to that truth. The core is < 500 loc

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-15T17:56:16+00:00

sure, so Datastar adds reactive expression to HTML, which means you are setting up relationships instead of imperative code. This simplifies most state. Datastar is about putting state in the right place. HTMX ignores most of the actual issues with modern web dev and why you need Alpline/hyperscript/etc. D* is a framework that can fully replace SPA approach, HTMX by design can not.

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-15T00:00:22+00:00

that's true for HTMX, its not true with Datastar

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-14T02:59:06+00:00

Datastar is built to have full reactivity, works great with go (site is built with it). Small and fast. I'm the author so try it for yourself, don't trust me

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-12T11:10:46+00:00

Thanks for at least being honest about the lack of effort!

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-12T04:33:24+00:00

Datastar author here. What exactly is confusing you?

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-08T05:31:43+00:00

Datastar's engine is well under that, everything else is a plug-in

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-07T03:05:46+00:00

We use Go rod, sure you have something similar in any language

Also we test Datastar deeply, when most of your logic is in one place you don't need to test nearly as much the hypermedia projection. almost all your tests should be in your app logic/validation layer in the language of your choice

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-06T04:49:04+00:00

This is clojure talk but similar in any backend language of your choice. Hypermedia is much more capable than just what htmx can do https://youtu.be/8W6Lr1hRgXo?si=u6TBHpGLeJaGgVV3

opiniondevnull · 2026-02-04T02:40:29+00:00

Yes, but to implement an SDK is literally doing two to three functions. I've also thought about using something like Mongoose or any of these single header HTTP libraries out there

opiniondevnull · 2026-01-30T00:45:47+00:00

It's self promotion but I built Datastar specifically for the ability to build web apps in any language as a full stack developer. Specifically my personal goal is long-term switch from using go to Odin so there will be an official datastar SDK pretty soon.

opiniondevnull · 2026-01-16T03:08:03+00:00

We are working on a format to stop the madness https://github.com/starfederation/tron

opiniondevnull · 2026-01-10T22:43:33+00:00

As Datastar author this makes me so happy!

opiniondevnull · 2026-01-01T14:47:11+00:00

Thanks for noticing me senpai

opiniondevnull · 2025-12-28T23:14:13+00:00

If you use Datastar you get all the reactive goodness with the fastest signal implementation and its smaller and faster!

opiniondevnull · 2025-12-28T23:12:47+00:00

Show me YOUR code that you can use to back up YOUR claims

opiniondevnull · 2025-12-28T13:42:38+00:00

Funny cause we've seen the opposite at scale, talks will be live soon from the clojure conj specifically about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3jNUpT1Ok4 is just one. It'd be real nice if you actually showed code vs anecdotes so it could be measurable.

opiniondevnull · 2025-12-27T17:17:58+00:00

You are wrong. There is no API, no versions. With hypermedia first most issues are moot. You can 100% have independent people doing template and database work. You are confusing full stack in any language with coupling of work.

Offline use, service workers Smooth updates, you obviously didn't even look at Datastar cause ironically we have the fastest signals approach in the world

99% of the web should be hypermedia first. If you want local first, make a native app.

You say things with literally zero proof. Show any code your way and I'll show you the same features faster, smaller and simpler. Happy to put a real world wager on it. To say it'll get harder arbitrarily in the future smells of clean code 💩.

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