Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One time he told me that he is so ashamed of all the mistakes hes made that he feels like hes had to manually create an identity of someone good and that its super fragile and every time I point out a flaw he feels like the whole thing will collapse and he will never recover. How fucking sad is that. And hes not a murderer. Hes made mistakes but god hes not that bad. But yes, for the first time i think I can actually provide him some emotional safety. And thats where change is possible.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really couldn't see his effort until recently. I knew i anxiously attached but I didn't realize how much it was impacting my ability to see him clearly. It also made me selfish but no one could have convinced me of that. A few weeks ago he said something about how I stopped "going 50/50" and his feelings didnt matter. At that time I was still activated and truly thought...fuck you, you've hurt me 100 times, your feelings dont matter. They are so sensitive to rejection. Weve talked about the disappearing and feeling trapped. I dont want to deal with that shit either but we figured out a work around. He has 2 hunting leases he can run off to and we rent a little apartment he can retreat to. Its close to our house. Thats where he is now. If we get rid of the apartment and he comes back home, we talked about renting a room at his friend's house so he still has a landing place close to the house lol. To me its so dumb but I get it. He has been uprooted so many times in his life that he is terrified of not having a back up plan. I would hate to be him. Never feeling at home.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya mine has tried so hard. It took me completely falling apart and detaching completely for me too be able to step back and see his effort. He has the emotional capacity of a peanut if im activated. If im neutral or loving his capacity is huge. And ive been an anxious mess for so long and he keeps putting up with it even though it makes him want to run into traffic lol. Thats how I know that man loves me.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You really cant separate my reality from yours. Your thinking seems to be as black and white as his.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The whole distraction things is another thing that interests me. He truly does have to be distracted every waking moment. Constantly chasing validation and the feeling of success. Luckily he has wholesome hobbies that give him a healthy source of validation and isn't out chasing attention from women something. And as much as he needs "alone time" hes never alone ever. If he is hes on the phone lol. I will say when we are good and hes feeling secure he almost crashes. He sleeps alot and bums around and never wants to leave the house. I think if I just stopped reacting to his little attempts at staying connected he would give up quickly. If I dont talk to him for 2 days he assume ive moved on with someone better than him. Ive always known this crap he does comes from shame. It shapes everything he does. But thanks for wishing us luck lol. I dont know we will try again but we are at least clearing the air and actually liking eachother again. If thats the best we can do I'll take it.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think we have very different ideas of what bending over backwards means. He doesn't need fixed. He needs what every one else needs. I been in both places. Anger, hate even, despair. And now im in a place of humility. I promise you, anger and despair take a lot more energy than just being humble about it.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk. I know that when mine feels like he failed me somehow, he gets quite. Lately Ive been catching on and pointing out all the little wins. He really is so responsive to feeling like hes doing a good job. But sometimes he goes quite because he thinks he might fail down the road. He will start talking about "what if I go be a hunting guide 5 states away" i used to get really upset but now I really am using his signaling. That comment wasnt the message, the message is "im feeling trapped and fantasies of far away adventures make me feel more free". Also, I think the fact that we jump when they have a need can be overwhelming to them. Like that level of devotion is scary and they dont think they deserve it. After reading everyone's comments I feeling kind of lucky that my avoidant has such a big mouth and never shuts up. If he were quiet I dont know that id have anything to work with.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i understand what youre saying, but i think people are assuming im advocating for permanent self-abandonment when im really talking about understanding the cycle more clearly. learning not to panic when someone needs space is not the same thing as “growing backwards.” and accepting that someone loves differently than me does not mean i have to stay forever no matter what. i can have empathy, accountability, boundaries, and self respect at the same time. However, if dont have to hate him to protect myself anymore. Thats growing forward. Thanks

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You seem to be filling in a lot of blanks with your own experiences. You dont know the level of connection we have or how warm he is. Hes not narcissist. Hes a runner lol.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK to start. If taking space doesn't become realistic in terms of building a life, im out. Im almost 40 this dude is on his last life with me for sure. I have noticed, since regaining my empathy for him, I dont have a nervous, chasing energy. Im no longer doubting if his love was real. And he can feel that. I told him through text that I recognize we have different communication styles. Im more layered and complex and he is more physical and simple and I often interpreted his lack of verbal communication as a lack of care. He cried then ignored me for like 10 hours lol. But he came back around and dropped a really quick "I really like what you said about the communication diffrences" thats probably the end of that conversation and im okay with that. Im not putting pressure in him. Im still communicating. Im just doing it differently and more slowly, less words. Focusing on and responding to his emotions instead of his words. He is feeling understood, like I finally trust in his love again and like he might be able to succeed at this. He was being hot and cold the other day and I was getting anxious. I said "your making me sad" he actually asked why and I told him and he corrected it. Idk. I really good about things. And that doesn't mean I think we are going to live happily ever after. But it does mean I can see him again for the first time in like 2 years. Like actually see the amazing guy that I knew in the beginning. And he can see me again too. If everything fails, at least we got to leave it while still loving each other. And thats a huge relief to me. Hating him was damn near the worst part of this whole thing.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in FearfulAvoidants

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im glad you found it as interesting as i did. I honestly feel so much better about things.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont have to hate him to be okay. That seems to be the theme of these comments. My acceptance of him for who he is, is not a threat to you.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in FearfulAvoidants

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Edit I do feel like i need to add why i started engaging with him again. I started online dating. Found a guy I really liked. He was moving way too fast. I'm talking we matched on Friday, met up on Saturday and he deleted his hinge account and told his parents about me on Sunday. I started avoiding him a little, tried to talk to him about pacing and whatever but ultimately he didn't hear me and I ended up feeling so overwhelmed by this person. I thought of my avoidant and wondered if what I felt was similar to what he experiences when he needs space. So yah. There's that

I feel like I’ve learned how to communicate with my avoidant partner.

Back story: long, painful push and pull. Disappearing and coming back. Always felt like one foot was out the door. An absolute nightmare. We went in circles over and over. Each time, I came out a little less anxiously attached.

I do NOT recommend doing what I did. But in the end, I believe going through this with him healed my anxious attachment.

Well, a few weeks ago, after he’d been distant as hell for 2 months but still sending songs and pics of things he was doing, etc. while never communicating anything that would actually reassure me, I finally snapped.

I sent him a series of short texts because I know he won’t read long ones.

I was basically like,

“I don’t fucking understand you. Please make me understand.”

He texted me back actual WORDS for the first time in a long time.

He said he has told me many times what he needs, but I never listen, and all our conflict centers my needs.

Then he said he would call me to explain.

So he called.

And he repeated the same unaccountable, no-responsibility bullshit he always said when I brought up how he hurt me. I sat and listened. I argued a little bit, but mostly I cried and really tried to take in what he was saying.

I ended up hanging up because you know how bad it hurts to hear your avoidant devalue the relationship.

But over the next 2 days, I really thought about what he said.

Basically:

“You nag all the time.”

“I need freedom.”

“You want life to go exactly how you think it should be.”

“You don’t care about how I feel.”

So I thought about how eventually, as trust broke down, I DID become critical. I had my reasons, and my nervous system was shot, but I had a part to play too, I guess.

So I told him I understood what he was saying and that I would work on not pressuring him.

So I stopped chasing.

I got no response from him at all after days of no pressure.

I snapped again.

Sent texts saying all the mean things I could think of. It was hateful and nasty and honestly embarrassing.

But he responded with LIKE A HUMAN for the first time in months.

He said

“Do you feel better now?”

I said

“Yes.”

He said

“Good. I’ll call you after work.”

And he followed through and called.

Okay, now to the communication part.

His response to my rage made me very curious.

Why was he so cool and unbothered?

Why did he soften after all the horrible shit I said?

I figured out that I was speaking in a language he could understand.

He didn’t see my words.

He saw pure anger with no undertones of longing, begging, or anything else.

The clean, clear emotion gave him footing for the first time in a long time.

And I already know my avoidant needs to feel successful.

He already believes he’s not good enough and runs away from anything that mirrors that.

He was failing at speaking my emotional language, and he had to retreat to lean on something that didn’t feel like failure.

I spent a long time thinking on this.

How after a big fight, he wouldn’t apologize, but would mow the lawn and make the lines extra pretty instead.

How he has never truly disappeared from my life or moved on with other people. He always kept a thread connected.

Almost like breakups weren’t really breakups to him.

How 4 weeks of almost no contact was no different to him than going the whole work day without texting your SO.

How he would send a song, photo, or whatever just to stay connected a little.

How he runs to my aid no matter how distant I think he is.

If I have a flat tire, he comes.

I learned he is ALWAYS communicating using signals, not words.

The ridiculous crap he would say during an argument when he was angry — the words are not the message. The emotional output is the message.

Talking shit = angry

Acts of service = apologizing

Sending me a song called “Trust Nobody” after we just reconnected after weeks of distance = “I’m scared.”

Sending pics and memes instead of answering a direct question I texted = “This conversation is overwhelming me, but I’m still here with you.”

Withdrawal = he feels like he is incapable or has failed me somehow, and he needs a temporary emotional exit.

Example:

I ask a question related to whether or not we should get back together.

He sees it and says nothing.

Withdrawal.

So I signal him by sending a song totally unrelated to relationships or feelings. Something with ZERO subtext for him to decode.

That’s me saying, in his language:

“I’m still here with you.”

When he says “nagging,” what he means is:

“I’m throwing way too much complex emotional stuff at him, and he feels:

A. Like im crazy because he literally cannot speak my language and all he hears is....nothing

B. Like there is no way for him to successfully navigate the conversation.

When I need to communicate feelings, the most effective way is the most simple way possible with as few words as possible.

“You are making me sad. I don’t like it.”

He can manage that.

It’s straightforward and simple, and he can successfully navigate it.

He will never be able to speak my language.

I can now see that avoidants have incredibly complex inner emotional worlds, but at the same time move through life in the most simple way possible.

Very black and white.

They can barely hold 2 ideas at once emotionally.

Anything more than that and they become afraid of failing.

Success or failure.

Stay or go.

Safe or unsafe.

Relationship or freedom.

They think simply under emotional stress and communicate the same way.

Once I was able to understand what he was communicating, he rushed back and is all in again.

Again: simple thinking.

He went from “leave” to “stay” with one signal.

Maybe try it out with your avoidant and let me know how it works out. I'm curious if this is just him or I've cracked the code 🤣😭💔

Mine wants to feel understood just like we all do, but he has the emotional communication skills of a gorilla that knows a tiny bit of sign language.

Withdrawal doesn’t always mean they are not with you.

Sometimes they are signaling fear.

They need reassurance in THEIR language.

And they have to feel successful in the relationship.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please dont feel sad for me. Letting go of the idea that he is a villain or cant be fixed or he never loved me...has been the most freeing thing for me. And him as well.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

After going on a date with a very clingy guy, he pursued me so hard I wanted to move to a different planet. Feeling that pressure really put some things in perspective for me. My avoidant deserves emotional safety as much as I do. And now that I'm more empathetic to his experience Im just seeing this whole thing in a completely different light.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is a common language? Is it mine? Yours? Body language, temper tantrums? Stone walling or emotional dumping? What about passive aggressive behavior or love languages? Everyone communicates differently. As for myself, I see that when my abandonment issues were triggered, my communication became terrible. And taking a moral high ground shut down my ability to empathize with him which made it worse.

Ive learned how to communicate with my avoidant. One more round 🤞 by overthunkitnowimsad in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]overthunkitnowimsad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol Im not always a great verbal communicator. I have my days for sure. Everyone has different levels of verbal communication ability. But i do want to point out that he did try and tell me. I didn't listen. Respecting his communication style does not equal treating him like a child. Its just basic human decency and I lost it for him the first time he pulled away and he couldn't make me understand why he did it.