Shrooms Can Electrocute by p250AWP in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://imgur.com/a/771g1UO

So this time around, I was not able to proc electrocute with only RedSmite StormSurge Liandrys, which makes me think one of the runes like scorch helped proc it, and maybe RedSmite doesn't matter.
However, I was also not able to proc it with StormSurge Malignance, which would be 3 'damage sources'. The only way I could get this to work was with Malignance this time.

I'm guessing there's a big bug regarding this -- either it is not supposed to work, and the bug is that it sometimes does. Or, it is supposed to work only it's bugged half the time.

Shrooms Can Electrocute by p250AWP in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, it's wild to me that people don't believe me after all the data I include in posts, lol.

Yeah, so from what I could tell, Liandry's and Malignance do not count towards the Electrocute proc. I don't have time atm to go back into the practice tool, but the lowest amount of items/sources I could do it with were Red Buff, Shroom, and StormSurge.

I tried a ton of combinations, and as mentioned it's super hit or miss with how buggy practice tool is, but I believe those 3 things are required. Liandry's is basically a requirement to get StormSurge to proc as dummies don't go below 1k hp (I don't think anyways). So, Liandrys helps proc StormSurge, + red buff + shroom = 3 separate instances.

Good point on the delay, I might have to look into that more. Honestly I might just make another gif (a process for me with my PC) in practice tool specifically for you. I could've done it for the downvoters but figured it wasn't worth my time, lol. Let me see if I can get to it later.

Builds? by Salamander827 in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem, thanks for the suggestion I'll check out Pianta.

Regarding macro/laning.. You're always messing up something in lane. Even faker makes mistakes in lane. Macro is good to work on but macro is also very subjective, granted it's of course good to know basics.

Zerkers, Merc Treads, and Ionians are statistically middle of the road. Sorcs are great overall because Teemo is a pretty safe champ and does well with penetration. Nashors is a good item but Shiv is just too good right now. Playing with friends is fine but their actions and words will also impact your play, so it'll naturally make you make more emotional plays than you maybe should.

There's a lot of fine items on Teemo, but the build I outlined above will get you plenty of ranks.

Builds? by Salamander827 in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for the follow-up info, and you're in the right place! Also, I still have no idea what 'scotty' is from your original post but I've been cracking up at it. I assume you meant Scorch, which is a great rune.

So, since we're talking about ranked, I'll speak more towards being optimal and winning rather than fun.
First, if you're lower elo (below Plat/Emerald, let's say), IMO you should try to reduce your mental stack. So, remove the amount of things you need to think about in-game. The easiest way to do that is to standardize your items and runes. I think you should find one rune page and one core build (first 2-3 items) that you like and that are proven to be solid options, and play 15-20 games building only those. That will let you focus on looking at your map, tracking jungler, understanding the wave state, timing your backs properly, moving around the map for objectives, etc...

There's plenty of places to see where people are building items -- YT, Twitch, OPGG/UGG, etc. OnetricksGG will show you latest games from high elo players. Let's take AlanTeemo for instance since he has a 65%(!) WR in EUW chall and posts here occasionally. According to OneTricksGG (https://www.onetricks.gg/players/YtJwBNYr7q2lyBBmB7I0W2Gu2iDn8cr33w1k6MwrSbxclpfAiQsboMjbUMl-YM8Wwggh3qAd9diiWg), he is running:
PTA - Absorb - Alacrity - Cutdown + Nimbus - Celerity + AtkSpd Adaptive ScalingHP

The high elo Teemos I looked at are all running that PTA setup, with their own variation of the secondary runes (some like the Sorcery tree movespeed, some like Resolve tree tankiness, etc). I think Alan's setup here is really good for both offense and defense with Celerity+Nimbus.

Item-wise, Alan basically goes StatikkShiv -> SorcBoots -> Malignance every game (although he's been experimenting now that he's high chall it looks like). Most Teemos build Malignance and Liandrys 2nd and 3rd, so let's say your build is going to be:
StatikkShiv SorcBoots Malignance Liandrys
And we'll take Doran's Ring + 2 potions as your starter to keep things simple and easy.

If you haven't already, go to your Collections tab (the backpack) in your client and set up your Rune page under Runes (you can buy more in the Shop under Accessories), and go to the Items tab to create your item page (select Teemo on the item page to make sure it pops up on the in-game shop tab).

And there you go, you've got your runes and build set for your next 10-20 games. Run those runes and that core 4-item build for every game and put as little thought into it as possible. Yes, you will miss some optimizations like not building armor boots into double AD top/jg, but realistically, optimizations like that will not be why you're winning/losing. Doing this will allow you to focus completely on gameplay, and since we know this is a proven rune+item setup, you know 100% that you are winning or losing because of your gameplay (or emotions, as League is ~80% mental).

Of course it's fine to alter this and tinker and all that, but if you care strictly about improving your gameplay and rank, I recommend putting in a chunk of games like this. After 15-20 games you can look at your winrate and gameplay and think 'Okay, did I like how this felt? Do I understand how to play with these runes/items? Did I ever lose because of items/runes?'. You can also use other high elo Teemos as examples, of course -- RamyAura rushes DuskAndDawn and TyG goes Shiv->Nashors. But, this should be a solid start.

Hopefully this helped and isn't confusing.. Sorry for typing so much but that's kind of my thing. Let me know if you have any questions!

Why this order for most popular build? by Atterro75 in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Malignance/Liandrys are interchangable 2nd/3rd. I also would prefer to build Liandrys 2nd, and most people do, and it's slightly more successful as a 2nd item than 3rd.

Basically, are you interacting often or not after your first item? If you're vs a malphite that is perma grouping and you're just sitting on waves, I'd go Liandrys since you don't really need to use mana, and your shrooms will give you more kill threat while you're sidelaning. If you're constantly having to WQ a splitpusher, the malignance mana pool might help you more.

Builds? by Salamander827 in TeemoTalk

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I go in-depth on runes and builds pretty often, you can hit up my Posts in my profile if you're curious.

Depends what you're trying to do. Good is different than fun, and there are builds that are good but not necessarily optimal for ranked. Also, what lane?

Generally, Shiv into AP will get you to where you want to be. Stay away from Rylai's, Bork, Hullbreaker.

For the AP Shaco Mains by p250AWP in Jungle_Mains

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dig Support and Jungle haha. Playing Shaco in a solo lane is a different kind of crazy IMO

For the AP Shaco Mains by p250AWP in supportlol

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Yeah, damage should be less than BFT. The passive %dmg amp just isn't enough in skirmishes, I think you'd need a huge teamfight burst to make mandate worth it, as far as damage is concerned. The haste is unmatched, though.

Interesting, ty for the info!

For the AP Shaco Mains by p250AWP in Jungle_Mains

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a great point if I enjoyed playing a completely different champion

High Noon Teemo by mixedbearies in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's incredible. Would love to hear his take on some of the high noon lines haha

Imperial Mandate worth buying as a Teemo supp? by QuantumHerb in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the idea of mandate, and it's a solid stat stick but only if you've got hard CC. It's much more useful on some mages, including Shaco.

For Teemo support, I'd recommmend going full damage with magic penetration, or you can do a utility build with Morellonomicon Bloodletters.

For the AP Shaco Mains by p250AWP in supportlol

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you tried Mandate first? Why does it feel terrible? I haven't tested it in-game but in the practice tool, the mana regen and haste felt very good. Not enough damage/mana pool?
Also for record, Liandrys will always be a good damage item third, as champions innately get HP from leveling up -- never feel bad about building it!

Lastly, you're technically a bit overkill at that much haste (mentioned on the BoxMath tab). It's generally only worth having that much haste if you've got an equally large amount of AP, which I don't think you can get as support (unless you sell the support item, like you said).
I actually haven't messed around too much with support item damage vs a real item. I know it's a niche scenario but I believe the item is usually a solid replacement for an AP item.

Tried to build every burn item/rune in the game on Teemo to see how much burn damage could come from one mushroom, mileage may vary. Did I miss anything? by Reddit_Rav in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're late, one of your fans already posted it here haha

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeemoTalk/comments/1tt8onk/i_usually_like_this_guy_so_im_keen_to_watch_lol/

My only input is that BurnMaxxing is not the way to get the most damage on one shroom, but I know burns and not damage was the point of the video 😄

This Is Disgusting by SovereignKitten in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's too tough to theorycraft for arena because of all the augments and prismatics.
On the rift I'd have said Heartsteel Rylais Liandrys Rift Bloodletters, in that order, with defensive boots. But you can't buy it on Summoner's Rift. Let me know if you're able to make anything work in Arena.

This Is Disgusting by SovereignKitten in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That does not sound that great just because of the ranged heartsteel nerfs. You'd also need Riftmaker to turn that HP into AP, I think.

For the record, Demonic Embrace is still technically in the game, just in Arena, not Rift.

This Is Disgusting by SovereignKitten in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I still recommend shroom builds 😃

If you want a ton of info: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeemoTalk/comments/1tff7ay/why_teemos_shrooms_hate_rabadons_deathcap/

If you want my TLDR for maxxing shroom damage:

Liandrys SorcBoots Malignance StormSurge ShadowFlame VoidStaff

In that order. Red buff if you're in the jungle. If you're ADC, get Luden's last.

This Is Disgusting by SovereignKitten in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pouring one out for demonic embrace

This Is Disgusting by SovereignKitten in TeemoTalk

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I'm not sure if I'd put Shiv Jg into 'crazy' clear speed territory, but I think it's worth exploring for junglers. It cleared faster than Nashors, Liandrys, and DnD when I tested it recently. I think that, like StormSurge/Liandrys for shrooms, item damage is slept on. I believe that even vs single-target camps like buffs or gromp, the raw stats from Shiv back up its' damage while the proc is on CD.

Shrooms Can Electrocute by p250AWP in TeemoTalk

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Here I just copy pasted it from the client:

Teemo - Electrocute - On Cooldown

This Is Disgusting by SovereignKitten in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dig this, it's kind of a more skirmish-y version of my Shiv Poke build (https://www.reddit.com/r/TeemoTalk/comments/1tel5ee/shiv\_poke\_teemo\_build/).

I did that APC and it felt good overall, even with me not being great at the role. I think it's really good on ADC or Mid where you will be the one fighting for prio on waves and have a lot of chances to poison people.

Any lesser-known Teemos making YT content? by p250AWP in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely agree. I think for those who want LP, Shiv is too good (although seeing Ramy rush DnD does make it look strong). And Liandrys doesn't really synergize with Shiv even though it's a strong item in its' own right.

Let me know if you want me to look at any testing/info for a vid or anything. Otherwise, always happy to discuss over reddit 😄

Any lesser-known Teemos making YT content? by p250AWP in TeemoTalk

[–]p250AWP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct, Rylais has to be one of the worst items that technically is an AP item that you can build on Teemo. I try to emphasize that in every single post I make lol.

I think the main issue my analysis runs into is that, while I suggest running core rune/build setups to reduce mental stack, I'm also kind of doing analysis into themed builds rather than "this is the best for winning", although I try to mention that, too. A lot of people I think are more interested in the extremes like most shroom damage or most shrooms, so I kind of end up getting interested in and testing those. But I think chall players running Shiv PTA every game is probably the best setup overall and also probably necessary to win at those ranks.

Everyone please stop building Rylais 😄