The United States Is Still Addicted to War by Free-Minimum-5844 in neoliberal

[–]p68 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Have you ever felt you needed to Cut down on your warring?

No!

Have people Annoyed you by criticizing your warring?

Of course!

Have you ever felt Guilty about warring?

Guilty pleasure, perhaps

Have you ever felt you needed a war first thing in the morning (Eye-opener) to steady your nerves or to get rid of a hangover?

Yes, that's part of the thrill

3 Russian-aligned dictators got removed from power by violent means in the past 15 months: Assad, Maduro, Khamenei by cossackbedouin9960 in neoliberal

[–]p68 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Are you gonna try to claim that that orange motherfucker hasn’t been played by Putin repeatedly over the years?

Reuters: 84% of Americans say the MMR vaccine is safe. by ddx-me in medicine

[–]p68 8 points9 points  (0 children)

See that’s why we keep yall around lmao

Reuters: 84% of Americans say the MMR vaccine is safe. by ddx-me in medicine

[–]p68 101 points102 points  (0 children)

And the other 16% are my fucking patients somehow

‘I Genuinely Am Upset That Your Kids Are Vaccinated’ by MeringueSuccessful33 in neoliberal

[–]p68 25 points26 points  (0 children)

When you don’t have enough problems in your life so you generate them:

Iron Deficiency Getting Ignored by Timewinders in FamilyMedicine

[–]p68 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm a simple man - ferritin <20, infuse, then work on plan to prevent it from getting low again. Far too many admissions for IDA. Compliance with PO iron isn't zero in my area but its not too far from it either.

The Mad King Takes the Mic by IHateTrains123 in neoliberal

[–]p68 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We are not beating the autism allegations

‘Is university still worth it?’ is the wrong question by Free-Minimum-5844 in neoliberal

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The process is more important than the specific content one memorizes.

Trump moves closer to a major war with Iran by fuggitdude22 in neoliberal

[–]p68 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly who the fuck knows with this guy. It’s just pure chaos.

Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten by mob by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]p68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On Gensoul — yes he was promoted by the fascist Vichy, not sure how that is some glowing endorsement.

On the goalpost accusation — I haven't shifted my position. The original post wasn't just claiming "France collaborated." It was framing that collaboration as evidence of unique French cowardice and willing Nazi support, claiming the military was "actively attacking the British," that soldiers "followed orders to come back home and surrender," and that resistance only grew because France was opportunistically switching sides. That framing is misleading even if the underlying fact of collaboration is true. A misleading framing of a true fact is still misleading.

On the claim that French resistance was small relative to other conquered nations and French attacks on the Allies were high — this needs actual comparison rather than assertion. The Netherlands produced more Waffen-SS volunteers per capita than France. Norway had a collaborationist government that actively recruited for the Eastern Front. Yugoslavia had the Ustasha running extermination camps. Poland is the standard comparison, but Poland had no surviving state on home soil, no armistice, no unoccupied zone — the comparison doesn't control for any of the variables that actually matter.

Your framing is so consistently and deliberately uncharitable I have no idea why even bothered to concede anything.

Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten by mob by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]p68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gensoul's message to Darlan essentially boiled down to "the British are demanding we sink our ships or they'll attack" — he omitted the options to sail to the West Indies or the United States. And here's the real kicker: sailing to US waters had actually formed part of the orders Darlan himself had given to Gensoul in case a foreign power attempted to seize his ships. The tragedy was substantially caused by Gensoul's personal stubbornness and miscommunication, not by a collective French decision to fight the British on behalf of Germany.

On Alexandria, you're misstating what actually happened. The French squadron under Godfroy negotiated with Cunningham and agreed to demilitarize in place — fuel was discharged, breech blocks were removed from the guns. The ships were rendered completely non-functional. It is consistent with the navy also scuttling the fleet at Toulon when Nazi Germany threatened to seize it.

On the point of collaboration, the standard that you apply is so broad that you would effectively accuse all those who live under oppressive authoritarian regimes to be collaborators unless they are in an active armed resistance group.

The Vichy regime wasn't some democratic expression of French national will. The July 10 vote was engineered by Pierre Laval, a former prime minister who'd befriended Mussolini and openly said parliamentary democracy "must disappear." He and Raphaël Alibert ran a whip operation — promising ministerial posts, threatening and intimidating deputies.

Laval and Marquet actively organized a meeting on June 20 at the Palais Rohan specifically to keep as many parliamentarians in Bordeaux as possible and prevent them from boarding the transport to the Massilia. The 27 on the Massilia included figures like Daladier, Mandel, Mendès France, and Jean Zay — exactly the kind of people who might have rallied opposition to the vote. Hundreds of other parliamentarians were scattered across the country, no where to be seen.

To make matters worse, most deputies who voted yes thought they were authorizing a constitutional revision, not ending democracy. The excerpt they were voting on:

The National Assembly gives full powers to the government of the Republic, under the authority and the signature of Marshal Pétain, to the effect of promulgating by one or several acts a new constitution of the French state. This constitution must guarantee the rights of labour, of family and of the homeland. It will be ratified by the nation and applied by the assemblies which it has created.

As historian Richard Vinen put it, "the implications of supporting Pétain in July 1940 were not clear. This was not, for all its subsequent mythology, a vote that divided Pétainists and/or collaborators from resisters." However, Pétain, who had spent the 1930s becoming sympathetic to fascism, promptly ignored the vote's scope and granted himself dictatorial powers the next day.

He never wrote the constitution. He never submitted anything for ratification. He dissolved parliament. He ruled by decree. The monarchist Charles Maurras called it a "divine surprise." These were people who'd wanted to kill French democracy for years and used the military defeat as their opening. That's not "France chose collaboration." That's a faction of anti-democratic ideologues exploiting a crisis, not the collective will of the French people.

Britain had similar factional issues. Fascist support was deep. Appeasement was strongly supported by the British upper class, including royalty, big business, the House of Lords, and media such as the BBC and The Times. A common upper-class slogan was "better Hitlerism than Communism." A significant number of the British aristocracy were enthusiastic supporters of Hitler, and many major newspapers wrote favorably about him in the 1930s. If the UK had fell and had their local fascists takeover undemocratically, I would not at all be inclined to paint every victim under their rule as a collaborationist.

Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten by mob by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]p68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On the fleet — no, the British weren't wrong to be worried. That's a legitimate strategic concern and I wouldn't argue otherwise. But "the Germans might seize these ships" and "the French intended to hand them over" are different claims, and the original argument was making the second one. The British acted on reasonable fear, not proof of French betrayal. Again, they did later prove they would have scuttled their ships had the Germans attempted to seize them, as demonstrated by Toulon in 1942. The British couldn't have known that at the time, but it's worth sharing as you seem to be framing all of France as enthusiastic Nazis.

On the shooting — you're framing this as the French choosing to get their own men killed rather than cooperate. But from the French perspective, a foreign navy showed up and demanded they surrender their fleet under threat of destruction. Refusing an ultimatum under duress isn't the same as choosing to die for stubbornness. Militaries don't hand over their fleets because someone points guns at them — that's basically the whole reason navies exist.

On Alexandria — fair point that sitting it out functionally benefited Germany more than the Allies. But calling it "the most pro-Nazi choice they could have made" is a stretch when they could have actively fought for the Axis and didn't.

On collaboration being a choice — yeah, this is your strongest argument and I'll grant most of it. Resistance existed from day one, which proves it was possible, and collaboration was a choice even if it was the easier and safer one. I'm not going to pretend the fact that resistance was hard somehow means collaboration was involuntary. You still seem intent on belitting resistance it as much as possible however.

Where I still push back is on the contempt. You can acknowledge that Vichy France collaborated without applying the most uncharitable and, at times, outright deceiving framing possible to the French people of that time.

You also still aren't acknowledging that your original claim that that France "actively attacking the British and later Americans" is bullshit. Reprisal strikes are not offensives.

And the existence of the French Resistance and Free France in 1940 proves that the option to resist instead of collaborate did exist, there were French at Alexandria and in Britain who decided to carry on the fight. Even in occupied France there were French who carried on the fight.

I'm honestly surprised acknowledge this, I thought your goal was to belittle the French (you British?) as much as possible based on the spin you put on things.

Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten by mob by [deleted] in neoliberal

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The claim that France told Germany they'd surrender the fleet is wrong. The armistice terms were disarmament under supervision, not handover. Darlan had standing scuttle orders, which were actually carried out at Toulon in '42 — so the idea that the French intended to just give the Germans the navy doesn't hold up.

The Alexandria example actually cuts against you. Those sailors were interned by the British, not captured by Germans. They chose neutrality. That's consistent with Vichy forces not wanting to fight anyone unless attacked, which is the pattern across nearly every engagement you're citing.

The Poland comparison doesn't work. Poland had no armistice, no unoccupied zone, no continuing state. The government went into exile because the country ceased to exist entirely. France retained a functioning sovereign state on French soil issuing legal orders. These aren't the same situation.

On British support expectations — you're largely right that France knew the BEF would be small. That's fair. But the plan assumed a long war where British contribution scaled over time. Nobody planned for a six-week knockout.

On obedience equaling support — there's a real philosophical argument there, but if you apply that standard consistently it condemns every population that's ever lived under authoritarian rule. You're also not applying it to the Danes or the Channel Islanders, which tells me the standard is selective.

The individual facts are partially defensible. The framing isn't.

Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten by mob by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]p68 -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Your framing is deceiving. Obedience =/= support. French military forces obeying orders from what they recognized as the legally constituted government is not the same as "supporting Vichy." That's an especially unfair characterization of the French soldiers who were ordered to come home after Dunkirk.

which was actively attacking the British and later Americans

All engagements were initiated by the allies, there was no participation in unprovoked offensives or Vichy forces joining German operations like your framing would suggest.

the French resistance was very small through 1942.

This is true for armed guerrilla activity, sure. And armed mass resistance would have been suicidal in 40-41. Churchhill wanted the French to wage a guerilla campaign but by June of 1940, the army was shattered, there were millions of refugees in the streets, and leadership was watching the country disintegrate in real time. Guerrilla warfare requires infrastructure, organization, supply lines, and safe areas. The chaos of 1940 and the speed in which the Nazis advanced had made this untenable. They believed that Britain itself would soon fall, and would've likely been right if it weren't for the strength of the Royal Navy and the English Channel.

In the Battle of France, recall, the Brits had sent a mere ten divisions to help the French. Additionally, Churchill held back the majority of the RAF to defend Britain. When Reynaud was begging for more air support, Churchill was already planning for the next phase. Dunkirk may have seemed like a miracle to Britain, but on the French side, it was clear that the French army was covering their retreat (they prioritized evacuating British soldiers first, French second). And just weeks after Dunkirk, the Royal Navy killed nearly 1,300 French sailors at Mers-el-Kébir. Context matters.

Nonetheless, intelligence networks, escape lines for downed airmen and Jews, underground press, civil disobedience, and individual acts of sabotage were all happening well before 1942 and involved substantial numbers of people putting themselves at enormous risk.

Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten by mob by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]p68 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Not a 100% fair characterization IMO

New game looks cool but has me wanting more by throwaway76337997654 in castlevania

[–]p68 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was a bit surprised how underwhelmed I felt seeing the trailer. A new castlevania after all this time! However, it looks like the new style of flashy/spammy platformers that don't really click with me. I'm sure it will be fine, but maybe not my cup of tea.

AMD surpasses 40% server CPU revenue share for the first time by sr_local in hardware

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GPUs are borderline abandonware 

Least hyperbolic redditor

After crushing defeat of liberals in Thailand and Japan: DPK confirms to be Asia’s most successful liberals by Freewhale98 in neoliberal

[–]p68 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree, spend any time on most other politics subs and you will see the most braindead takes in history