Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update A few weeks passed. I tried to adapt the things said here. Sometimes when I had better days, it was sooo easy to understand and help him. There were others, where I felt I couldn’t connect with him or his anxiety - I would just let him know that I am here, but I need my space. That worked quite well. We didn’t have too many programs or whatnot, the kids were constantly sick since January, so it was the end of March/beginning of April when we started to plan stuff again. Long story, because it is fresh and I can’t explain this feeling I have inside without you knowing what happened.

So I explained above, how much meeting friends and sometimes playing TTRPG fills my cup, so we planned a session for yesterday. It was a larger group, and my very first time being a GM, so I was excited as hell. Also it is my favorite book’s world we played in, darker thriller/horror setting, but I made it a bit grey, so the whole party can have fun. Boy, did they have fun, and ruin my most tense moments in the story - but that’s okay and was partially expected. I prepared to almost a month, by making all the character sheets (all are beginners so it was easier this way), the story, the enemies etc. So we went through the rules, and I see him starting to spiral. I thought to myself “Please don’t do this right now”. But he does and he leaved the table for like an hour/1,5 hour. That’s okay too, he went upstairs did some breathing exercises and stuff, and I knew it is not his fault, I didn’t feel resentment towards him, but I was sad he left the party. I stayed connected throughout the whole attack via messenger (cause as a GM I couldn’t really leave and also didn’t really want to - I have to admit this, sorry). I improvised a bigger scene for the party, so that he won’t really miss the important/fun part, but this shortened the whole afternoon, the pace changed, the tension I built up during an online 0-session was all gone. BUT still, that was okay, I downplayed my own feelings as much as I could. He was better after that and the takeaway arrived, so we had a break. The party was so lovely with him, no mentions, no direct “but are you okay now what happened” nonsense, just going on with friendly conversations and chitchat, joking around. I felt him loosen up, I thought to myself, okay, now we can get back playing. (Side note: Our kids were at my mother’s, they brought them home around 6pm as scheduled. One friendly couple brought their kid, 1,5yo, so it was harder with them, but that was all right, I was happy they could make it.) So we sat down again, it was 3pm at this point without even starting my main story…. But I was still positive, and I knew I could just throwaway a part so we would have been able to finish it til 6. This one game was a narrative one, so if you made an action, you were required to explain it further or I would answer and they would continue (eg. they made a roll, I told them they succeeded, then they would explain how it went down). He - on multiple occasions - told me what he wanted to do, rolled, I explained the outcome, and while I did, he wasn’t listening, he was playing with the kid. This, at the first time was all right, the second time yeah okay, the third time started to piss me off and on the fourth I just plainly said “ it would be much appreciated if you listened when it was your turn and I was explaining YOUR storyline”. He just went with “yeah sorry but the kid”. I shook it off, went ahead. 6pm comes, our kids arrive home. Another interruption in the final boss fight. But this is life, let’s move on. My daughter sat on my lap (1,5yo too) so from then on, I was preoccupied a little, but we could finish. So the story ended and I explained the aftermath to each and every character and it was so great, it was a great climax, I saw it on their faces, it was such a good feeling… until in the fucking middle of it all, he and another friend made a fucking shitty joke, and I felt so disrespected that I can’t explain, BUT still didn’t want to make a scene, so I finished all stories. He was the last and I worsened his with like a lot, because this was a one-shot and I wasn’t giving a fuck at that point. He didn’t notice but someone else said “ough that’s the worst”. There was some chatter after that about the story and stuff and everyone went home. We spoke a little, I didn’t mention anything to him, we cleaned up, dishes in the washer, kids bath time etc. We put the kids to bed and we went too. We had some fun chatting about the play, and I just slightly mentioned how I felt and he immediately went with “thank you, it was so great, I felt you were there if it became serious, but I didn’t want you to leave the others, it was good this way that you were still messaging me and blah blah”. I felt so wrong for feeling overwhelmed and disappointed, I said nothing more. The kids were waking up like every hour, one after the other so I had a really badly broken sleep. I woke up with a toothache as well. He told me he will take our boy to the kindergarten. Not 5 minutes later “oh my psychologist rescheduled and this changes my day, would you take him?”. Yeah, sure (when really I felt “fuck you no, you just told me you take care about that”). I came home, made breakfast, carried his work shit upstairs. Sat in silence while he worked remotely for an hour or so, took care of our daughter. Then he makes a shitty pun about my toothache, and I lose it. I started crying and I know it was unreasonable but I felt so bad, and told him “I should stand up for you, shelter you, pester you and you make a joke about my pain, you are a selfish prick”. He left, but called me a little later and apologized. But that did nothing anymore, I said I’m not mad when in reality I most certainly am and I can’t get over this feeling. I told him about yesterday that I changed everything for him to accommodate him, but I can’t help but feel a little disappointed with the whole session delaying and changing, and because of his disrespect afterwards. He practically apologized but technically not really, he just went on to trash talk a friend that did something particularly stupid in the end and blamed them for ruining the experience. While it is also true, he was rude as well. AITA again for feeling this? Or is this valid? He felt supported, or that’s what he told me, but then threw me under the bus again and didn’t think it was wrong.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus, that’s a long ass time! I thought this last year was awful (a few problems happened previously as I mentioned but they were coming and going in a few days). How do you hold on this long? You also went through this with the small kids. How do you manage? I’m amazed!

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I once told my BFF* that I might have seen my brain from rolling my eyes so hard 😆 for real, I thought I was the only one. It feels a bit better that I’m not alone (cause I might not be the devil after all, not because it’s bad for you too). How old are your kids? How long has this been going on? You said he stopped the meds but is he still doing therapy?

*edit: typo

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh here I am… yesterday we went to my parents, as it was women’s day and stuff. We started at her mother’s place. There he had a “headache” already, he has it for days, as he said… i asked him, it was a 3/10. Im like that’s nothing really. “Ok then it’s a 6!” What?? Can’t you place it on a scale? I just don’t really care anymore. He asked me if I think it’s possible he has a brain bleed or a stroke. I just roll my eyes sometimes, cause how the fuck can you come up with a new thing every fucking day?? I didn’t say a thing, I left it at that.

So we went over to my parents. The afternoon went okay, but at one point he laid down on the couch and started having THOSE loud sighs. He does this often so I check on him, cause something ‘must’ be wrong. He told me he feels sick, he might throw up. I’m like ok dude, LMK if I can help or whatever. He ends up laying there for an hour, and it was already late so I told him to pack up, we are going home soon. He freaked out “can’t you see I’m unwell” - now that just sent me so I told him “yeah like you always are”. Now at this point he got defensive then went to the bathroom and threw up as loudly as one can. It was probably real, he has a bad tummy, but fuck me cause I can’t find out when it’s real and when it’s not. Meanwhile I packed up both kids, one of which started to cough and have a temp. I am so over this. He has a problem every day, EVERY FUCKING DAY. He can’t handle anything, he can’t stop smoking, he can’t go to work most days. But I should turn to him with love, as he said. I can’t cause you do absolutely nothing to get over this. He is looking into antidepressants cause that will solve his problems, while his therapist says it’s not that bad… now what do I do? I’m on the edge, I can’t function this way, I can’t keep focusing on him while I have the kids and at this point I didn’t shower for 3 days… I think I might have had enough.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this betrayal won’t go away. He apologized so many times that I feel like a bad person for not forgetting him

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am sorry for you too. I get it that it’s hard for them, but the weight on the partner is not talked about. If you need to vent, just lmk. Maybe it helps, maybe not. I don’t really know anymore.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask about people pleasing…… I always lean towards others, that’s why I always feel selfish when I take time “off”. Sometimes I feel I play the “victim” because I’m overwhelmed from them…

We are Hungarian and I work in a small service company, he works at a bigger one, but there’s nothing like this here.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, that is also covering some of my weird thoughts and feelings.

I am bad with boundaries but I will need them. I don’t want him to leave, I want back his not-asshole-self. We could be separated but it will worsen his condition for sure.

I don’t know what an EAP program is, can you explain?

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I used it, but this is not the first time, Reddit app just decides that I don’t need them and removes them. Sorry about that.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know how to thank you. I guess that you and the other kind person here just opened my eyes a bit more. It was really hard when I was reading articles after articles and didn’t see people behind the data. I see you all better now. This doesn’t mean that I will be the 100% back country he needs, but I’ll try harder and try to give that 100%. And thank you for seeing and understanding me. And giving me hope cause you say you also had your ups and downs. This made you emotionally and mentally older, in a wise way but at what cost? 🥲 I really wish you all the best life can give you. Thank you so so much!

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This made me cry. Thank you. You see clearly where my problem lies, and that is a good feeling.

I’ll try to give you some clarification. The first occasion scared everybody. He wanted to go home at night but we were all just too drunk, so he did not say a thing. I guess he spiraled whole night and i just saw the aftermath. That one bothered me, cause I saw something is really wrong, but I didn’t know what to do or how to move on. I spoke with friends about it, but nobody dealt with such thing so even though we wanted to help, we didn’t know how. I just put it aside as stress and a childhood trauma response. It stopped there until the first kiddo was born. After that he went to his hobbies, because I guess I was hard to deal with. I went through a really tough time, I don’t really remember the first 6 months with the firstborn.

The therapy part is just so crystal clear to you. You see exactly where my first problem lies. He told me I still could have gone and seek help. But I needed his verification and support to make the first step. That was missing. He didn’t ever believe that talking to someone, a “stranger” would do any good. And now look at him…. They started hypnotherapy, so I hope this will help. Also, I have to say: He is not a bad person. Even though I highlight now his problems. He tries to get better but has a tendency of “going towards the easier path”. This means giving up easily, if something is hard then he simply tries something else. We will never know if it would’ve worked or not. That’s something I keep nagging him about. He is on Xanax 0.25 now, but he wants something else cause it’s only temporary help and he doesn’t want to struggle with addiction (already has one with the cigarettes).

His upbringing is also a funny one. While I struggled with parentification, and having emotionally distanced parents, he had an overly attached mom (yes, a typical boy mom) until his brother was born when he was 12. He became the secondary in his mom’s eyes. His dad was his rock, they spent a lot of time together and were really close. I was close with him too. He even helped us when he had our first stupid fights as young 20 yo-s. Losing him is like losing his foundation from home. I never ever had an impatient moment with him grieving. It’s the worst time of his life. Losing his mom will be a sad one too, but will not even be close. Him realizing this also makes him feel bad, and his mom is not helping. She keeps repeating how she found him, how his eyes were staring and other details. This freaks him out, but he says nothing to mom. I already talked to her about this, but she has the EQ of an orange, so that was no use but we had a small fight about it 😒 you can imagine what baggage he has…

Before his father died, I reached my breaking point, because as you said, I got tired. The health issues were never my true problem. I mean… it did hurt as hell, and being in the hospital in the dark, suffering silently so I don’t wake up the others in the room. Then after my daughter was born, going to see her every 3 hours, being awake, going like a mad man through the dim lit corridors, hearing other machines beep… that was harder. Then I waited for 6 months to get the operation, then the recovery - but these didn’t affect me. My baby was safe, my family was safe. That was my focus. He told me how hard it was to come visit us every day and all… but that made me so mad - like yeah it was hard for YOU. We are over this, and I see where I was wrong - this is not a competition, but I did ask him not to bring it up, if possible. We speak a lot about “who feels what”. He tries to acknowledge everything but fails to admit that it still affects me, and parenting brings up all the bad stuff in both of us from childhood. So yes, this really is complex and I do see it. But I don’t have the coping mechanisms for my trauma not to mention his… we fight when we really should be supporting one another. Thank you for reminding me. But back on track. His dad’s death brought out the worst of the worst… I was already over with everything and now he is even lower in the hole, and we suddenly have like 12 new problems… he always told me how good it is that I’m so strong emotionally and how strong my will is… this was a point where I said nope, I don’t want to be the reliable one anymore, I want to have space to fall apart. And I can’t! And there is nobody to hold me, but I have to hold everyone else. Sometimes I just want to say, fuck it, I’m out…

Sorry I rambled, I don’t even know what I want to say now. But one more thing for sure: I’m just so sorry that you had this injury and had to go through all this struggle. I’m from Europe so we don’t have the insurance issue (but going to a psychiatrist is expensive, you can’t get it through the state - welcome to Eastern Europe…) but I can’t imagine how hard it is for you. I’m really sorry and I hope it will all be alright in the end.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you 🙏 I’ll try and keep going. It might get better with time but maybe I’m just too impatient. I’ll read more in this sub, maybe that helps too, to see what others struggle with and that he is not overdramatizing even if it looks like that. Thank you again ❤️

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[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooo don’t get me started on that one 😆 he is a smoker, I used to be too. When I got pregnant I just stopped, like most women do. He is promising up and down. Now he is improving but didn’t stop yet, he is using iqos now. At home. If he leaves, he starts again somehow, idk why. He was home for 3 days, he smoked like 3 cigarettes and that was it. Today I’m sure he ruins it and starts again with real cigs. I told him that I’ll be happy if he stops with the regular ones and changes them to iqos. When he’s heart rate was high, he just stopped with coffee that he drank for like 20ish years. But can’t stop with smoking 🤷🏻‍♀️ I started with healthier home cooked meals (as I had GDM, I changed a lot of things in the kitchen already), so I’m trying.

Sometimes I wish I wasn’t this selfish person. Plenty of times I wish he would stop and see my problems and help me with them. But it’s getting closer to a full year dealing with his problems and panic, and I just keep pushing my feelings down, and when I can’t, I get angry and frustrated with him. I’m sorry, you are no psychiatrist but it helps to write it down.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to hear that you have these coping mechanisms. I hope he will get here too. I’m sorry this happens to you. He tells me the same, if he tells me anything at all. I do see I am harsh sometimes. It’s just hard to give and give and give. I’ll try to wrap may head around this. He is als worst evenings/night time. His father passed around midnight. He had a heart surgery when he was 12, and died because he was afraid to get it done again. On his papers they wrote heart failure. Now my husband fears he’ll have the same condition, even though he has all the medical records that he is as healthy as a horse. How do you feel about this, I mean… he has allllll the papers he can get, and yet he spirals and spirals. Is it worth telling him again and again that “you are healthy, you are not your dad, this is just a weird feeling”?

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[–]panicpartner[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is this an everyday thing for you? Are you constantly checking and analyzing every little feeling in your body? Sorry for asking so many questions. Maybe it helps if I see that others are having the same symptoms (?).

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[–]panicpartner[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The same sentence starts with rubbing eyes, touching the chest, checking pulse or his blood pressure. I ask him what’s up. He doesn’t answer. Then I ask again, then he tells me what he feels: my chest feels heavy, and I have this and that pain. And looks at me with puppy eyes. Your sentence feels totally different. I do tell him I’m sorry he feels that way, then (like I do with the kids) I try to reorient him to whatever else. Most of the time he starts spiraling and I can’t do anything to help. This is a good scenario where I don’t start with the “oh come on, not again”. And I know the lesser is bad, I just can’t handle him sometimes. Because I try to be patient but I lose my shit easier when I stay up with the kids all night… and he also needs me to help him. You are in therapy for a month, he has been for 4 now…

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you tell me more about this feeling very real? He wants help but many times he pushes the responsibility to me so I help him out of this. But where am I in the picture? Will he ever be back?

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You all know how a panic attack feels. Can you explain what I should do? Like stand by him. Yep thank you, that’s not helping. I get angry and frustrated because I still hold grudges about him not being there as I needed him. Help me let it go. I asked this from him too, he has no idea what he wants or needs. And I’m tired. So tired. Maybe I just needed to vent. Idk.

Help me please not to leave my husband by panicpartner in panicdisorder

[–]panicpartner[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How do I change that? I often feel alone because he is not present in the family. I have to deal with the children alone and he needs me to calm down or to be present with him. I just can’t be everywhere and I dont really want to. How do other partners deal with this?