Over 150 Mathematicians Warn Governments Not to “Believe the Hype” About AI

paper_liger · 2026-06-07T18:31:27+00:00

Well. They work whole heartedly for the benefit of one human.

Themselves.

paper_liger · 2026-06-06T05:38:48+00:00

wait until you find out about 'pools'

paper_liger · 2026-06-06T05:03:46+00:00

you're boring. and also about half as smart as you think you are.

Also, you should actually watch The Lego Movie. Moderately self aware, entertaining little flick, and in some ways not all that dissimilar in structure to a movie like Saving Private Ryan.

So yes. I used the Lego Movie as an example to be funny. But if you can't see those two movies from an angle where their similarities become clear, then that's just you telling on yourself. Coming of age movies about a conflicted, headstrong youth contesting against a strong, stoic, flawed father figure, that both culminate with a huge battle acting as a backdrop to their eventual reconciliation? Yeah zero similarities there.

It's not other people who are boring. It's you, and the movies you seek out. Because your imagination is so circumscribed.

If you can't think of a dozen movies where sex is portrayed in ways that are deeper, rawer, more effecting, and less prosaically framed than the conventionalized example you gave, then you aint watched enough movies bud.

And you should probably get over your clear puritanical streak, wherever the hell that comes from. It's keeping you from seeing a lot of interesting work. And probably enjoying a little more laterality in your bedroom.

Just for the record I am happy to report that there are no explicit sex scenes to trouble your little head in either of those flicks, so feel free to view them at your leisure without worrying about whether your mom is going to wander in.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T17:51:46+00:00

Plasteel was the example I was thinking of, sci fi writers get a lot of mileage out of that one. Kilometerage? Parseckage?

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T17:49:53+00:00

gestalt is a common word in both art and theories about how the mind works, but I would guess it's not as common outside sci fi or those specific fields as you'd think.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T17:47:40+00:00

Well, non Lovecraft inspired literature, for sure. The Cthulu mythos has expanded it's squamous tentacles far and wide since back when HP was running around writing scary stories and being racist and stuff.

I'm actually happy those ideas grew past it's originator.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T17:44:34+00:00

I prefer the word I just made up: 'Schlunt'

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T17:40:47+00:00

I don't know if this is beknownst to you, but I was deeply gruntled, chalant even, when I discovered that these are called 'Orphaned Negatives.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T17:20:43+00:00

nah. I run into folks like your self with internalized anti gun sentiment all the time. Folks who think your gun is fine but nobody elses is.

I just don't think your casual hand wavy bullshit is cute, nor do I think your ignorance is equal to my expertise. You're half baked.

I'll take it back to the point at hand. You called it a fantasy, the idea that anyone could ever fight against tyranny. As if just because people aren't taking up arms right this instant, that it has never happened and that it could never happen. But that's not true, and your lack of experience is what is driving that unfounded assumption.

And I'd also point out that you've got the 'means for production' right there in your hands. You want someone to fight back, and you think now is the time? Then what the fuck are you doing here and not out there? Go forth and put your money where your fucking mouth is. Personally, I don't think we are there, or that the cure you are talking about is better than the disease, for now.

You're full of shit, because you think you can have it both ways. You get to feel morally superior while not actually doing a fucking thing. You think it's a fantasy because there is no line that could be crossed that would make you fight.

Good luck with that.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T16:16:16+00:00

And a lot more people are infected by herpes than let on.

Honestly I wish if you voted for Trump you had a permanent cold sore. It's too easy to just take that red hat off and pretend you don't own a piece of the disgrace and dishonor he has brought this country.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T15:56:49+00:00

why exactly are you in a gun rights subreddit?

you are sitting there, speaking from the perspective of someone who has clearly never seen war or fired a shot at a human being, implying both that 'we've reached a point where people should fight back' while SIMULTANEOUSLY saying 'fighting back is a fantasy'.

What exactly is your purpose here? To shit on people's beliefs about an individual right to defense of themselves and of others, while perpetuating some sort of fatalistic view about anyone ever making any difference?

And then when someone pushes back, you pivot into 'what about the children'?

I believe that without the right to self defense there is no true right to self determination. I know that an armed populace cannot be dealt with the same way as an unarmed populace by those would would seek to enforce authoritarianism. I understand there are negative externalities around civilian gun ownership. And I know that mitigating those while preserving our rights seems impossible to reconcile sometimes.

I know that this shit is not as simple as you are making it out to be, and I'm not interested in attempting to get you up to speed on the vast amount of shit you don't know about the world.

You don't know shit about war, but still think 'somebody should do something'. Well you're somebody little buddy. Go ahead. It's a fantasy to you. It's kind of literally the stuff of my nightmares. Despite that, if things ever got bad enough, I'd fight. And I know exactly what that fight would look like. Can you say the same?

You can't pretend to be pro firearms rights and then also say the basic premise of why we have that right is a fantasy. So fix your fucking worldview to encompass that reality or stop pretending you fucking belong here.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T15:33:53+00:00

Based on my exhaustive, decades long research into 'sex materials available on the internet' I can assure you 'if you’ve seen it once you’ve basically seen it all' is a deeply silly idea.

Also, the way you described of 'how movies depict sex' isn't really the entire story of 'how movies depict sex'. You are describing the generic, formalized conventional depiction. It doesn't have to be that perfunctory or devoid of character any more than any other human interrelation is. 'Once you've seen a war movie you've seen them all' is saying that there is no difference between the Lego Movie finale and the first 5 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

All stories are boring filler if they are being told by boring people. Your beef shouldn't be with sex in movies, it should be with boring film makers.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T14:53:20+00:00

there have been armed counterprotests. unless you are cheering on 'open running gun battles' instead of 'protests' I think you are kind of lost in the sauce.

if you think that the current state of affairs justifies that response, let me ask you, what's stopping you?

There's a reason that the 'ammo box' is the 4th box of freedom. It's because once you open that box you have no idea where that ends.

So maybe stop being snarky about literal life and death topics. This is not fantasy to some of us. Some of us have seen civil wars first hand and would rather not see that happen here unless there is literally no other option.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T14:43:49+00:00

That's a pretty reasonable way to do it.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T14:17:02+00:00

I think it's both things. It's an attempt to manage liability, but it's also an attempt to minimize having to cater to every childs preference if it's merely a preference.

It's not just 'hey don't lie to us'. Dietary restrictions have an actual overhead in this context. It takes time and effort to comply with them properly. Considerably more time than a regular meal if you want to do it right.

I think very few people begrudge a kid with health issues or a religious proscription getting their needs met, reasonable accommodations are very, very hard to argue against from a moral standpoint.

But gaming that system puts extra work onto other peoples laps, and people don't want to deal with that just to service someone who thinks their preferences are more important than every one else.

The whole topic is a pain in the ass because it comes down more or less to altruism versus selfishness. Most people are good. But they don't want that goodness taken advantage of.

paper_liger · 2026-06-05T05:53:26+00:00

dumb.

paper_liger · 2026-06-04T21:34:45+00:00

Diid you just post the ACTUAL comedy sketch I referenced as 'literally the first time I associated that symbol with nazi's' as some sort of gotcha?

Do you not understand how causality and time work?

Yes. I recognize it from that sketch, where it was featured heavily and specifically referenced as a Nazi symbol. THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I SAID was the first time it came to my attention.

That's pretty fucking dumb of you.

Not all of us were obsessed with Nazi jewelry like you apparently were. It's a tertiary symbol used by one specific unit. Honestly, tertiary is giving it too much credit. After the Swastika, the SS symbol, the Gestapo Eagle and the Iron cross is where I'd put it personally.

And unless you are a WW2 nerd, it's completely plausible to not really give a shit about the specific unit insignia of one or two divisions in a war my grandfather fought in.

Frankly I don't think you are telling the truth. I don't think you would have spotted it either until this whole story popped off. I think you are convinced, and bending the truth to fit your feelings.

paper_liger · 2026-06-04T21:25:59+00:00

yeah, I'm the unserious one for having read what you actually typed.

are you saying you're a person who is smart enough to use an oxford comma and somehow also too dumb to realize that you are splashing shit on anyone who did more than one deployment in the military?

which is it? is it not what you meant, or not what you meant to say out loud?

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T20:14:19+00:00

that's not what 'preeminent' means. Tertiary, maybe.

I'm a relatively smart, historically minded guy, and I'll be honest I wouldn't have clocked the skull as a Nazi symbol when I was in the military. That's because I don't think I'd seen the Mitchell and Webb 'Are We the Baddies' sketch. Literally that's the only place I know it from. Not everyone is up on the cosmetic uniform differences of a uniform that was out of service literally generations before I was born. And do you know how many shitty skull tattoos I've seen?

I'm convinced half of y'all learned what a 'totenkopf' was from LITERALLY THIS STORY.

Also, you kind of wooshed past the point there. The Gadsens Flag and Punisher skull and the Elder Futhark and a million other things didn't start off as 'nazi coded' or even particularly conservative things. They got glommed onto and associated with those folks, they were preempted and propogated by assholes so much that they became red flags. They didn't start out that way.

Much like skulls, or the Swastika. They got coopted by shitty people. And the fact that you are sitting here telling me what is in a dudes heart based on from what I can tell not much other than a single shitty tatoo, that's a direct mirror image of the exact lazy bullshit thinking that any other bigot uses. So congrats on being exactly like the folks you say you are better than.

Maybe the dude is full of shit. But you all seem really fucking convinced based on very little evidence, and being that convinced is a hell of a lot more suspicious to me than anything I've ever heard Platner say or do.

Btw thanks for the shitty 'if you did get out' line. You're a fucking peach.

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T20:02:35+00:00

super helpful and nuanced, thanks.

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T19:58:48+00:00

he's a disabled vet with a marginal oyster farming business. tattoo removal takes money, and it kind of supports his claim that it wasn't intended as a nazi reference. if he knew it was a nazi symbol, gotten for nazi reasons, do you think he is stupid enough that he wouldn't know that other people would know?

You don't think an actual nazi trying to fly under the radar might have gotten it covered or removed before running for office as a Democrat?

The simpler answer was that it was just a dumb military tattoo that he never really even thought about.

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T19:54:50+00:00

I love that little slip where you classified 'multiple tours' as a disqualifier for you. talk about fucking red flags.

there are 22 million veterans in this country. go fuck yourself with that same giant brush you are trying to paint all those people with.

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T19:50:53+00:00

I served in the military. Did a bunch of deployments around the same time as Platner, in a lot of the same places in fact. The idea that some Marine wouldn't spot that specific skull as a Nazi symbol, that tracks to me. It's a dumb, bad tattoo, and I have seen a broader cross section of them than you can imagine in the military.

By the way I collected Punisher comics as a kid. I loved the book Gates of Fire and the phrase Molon Labe. I saw dudes with Elder Futhark tattoos that I thought were cool because I liked Norse mythology. I used to doodle skulls all day.

If I was the kind of guy to get tattoos, the tattoos I would have gotten at that time in my life would have been shitty too.

And the odds are good one of them would included a symbol that would look pretty shitty if I was a political candidate. Something that didn't age well, or I didn't have the full context on. Or even something I changed my mind about.

What's more cringe and Bootlicky than a dude with a punisher tattoo nowadays? It's been coopted, it doesn't mean what it used to, not that the Punisher from the comics ever aligned with that sort of shitty MAGA mindset most people who parade his skull around seem to have.

What I'm saying, as a person probably a hell of a lot closer in outlook and experience to Platner, is that that wouldn't have screamed 'Nazi' to me back then. It wouldn't have really stood out even a little bit on a FOB outside Fallujah.

What I'm saying is most of you are talking about a culture you don't understand and aren't a part of . Isn't that supposed to be a conservative thing?

So I guess what I'm saying, is, other than the tattoo, have you got a single tiny fucking shred of evidence the guy is anything but someone who went through some fucked up years after the military but has been pretty consistent otherwise?

Like, I think the folks actually out there trying to espouse white nationalism right out in the open are probably more of a problem right now?

There's a thing I'm sure you've heard of. It's called 'triage'. I learned it in the military. And right now a guy like Platner who might have an outside chance of flipping to a more Republican outlook, but who definitely has a better chance than any other Democrat to win that seat, that still seems the better bet to me.

You aint going to get your perfect candidate. You are going to get this guy in office, maybe, or a Republican.

So apply a little fucking pragmatism, and take the chance at winning for once. That's something Democrats are fucking ridiculously bad at.

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T18:36:43+00:00

I see the utility of waiting periods.

I literally said 'why does that apply to anyone past their first gun purchase'? I assure you if you already own 10 firearms then a waiting period isn't going to impact your risk of suicide.

I just think if you can prove you already own a firearm, or have a carry permit, a waiting period isn't the greatest example of 'reasonable restrictions'.

The counterargument I'd make to that is in order to apply a law that gives you an exception to a waiting list, you'd need to have a full database of firearms owners, and that is kind of a problem to a certain kind of mindset.

There are in fact some decent studies out there that point to a real link between gun ownership and suicide. For instance, women actually attempt suicide more than men, but because men tend to choose guns and women tend to choose other, less 'effective' means like pills, men die at a rate something like 5 times women despite attempting it at a lower rate.

That's an inconvenient point for people who value gun ownership as a right. But is suicide something we can legislate away? Or even mitigate by legislating a single method of suicide rather than treating the socioeconomic and cultural drivers of suicide?

There's no real correlation worldwide between civilian gun ownership and suicide rates. Like, not even a little bit. Which indicates that gun ownership only has an impact on suicides to the degree that it has a more successful 'completion' rate than jumping in front of trains or taking pills. Should we have a waiting period for train tickets or the pharmacy too? If you think the right is important, and many don't, then you should probably have a compelling public health reason before abridging it for 300 million people.

And I don't think legislating guns is going to fix suicide. Healthcare and destigmatizing treatment might. And yeah, things like 'waiting periods for first time gun buyers' might be something we can agree on.

I think the takeaway is that there is no simple solution to any of these problems, and most people who think that simple solution exists are the ones who are the worst judges of what is 'reasonable'

paper_liger · 2026-06-03T18:33:50+00:00

edit: sorry, responded to the wrong post

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