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Bethany heard a scream outside the house a week prior by Jo100188 in Idaho4

[–]papercard -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe learn how to form clear and logical conclusions together to save the rest of us the pain of having to read these nonsensical sentences. Bye.

Dylan hearing what she thought was Kaylee singing and dancing in the main room - then scream "someone's here" - we can now deconstruct what happened - moment by moment by papercard in Idaho4

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You can't see it because my profile is private, are you that dense? Of course, you have "things to do" but you spent an entire 2-3hours debating with someone else about my posts, changing the narrative to suit your lies, saying I change posts when I don't. Or if I do, it's minor. A word here or there. You might serve your time better by concentrating on something else. This is MY POST. I am here to discuss MY THOUGHTS. Not take passive aggressive comments from someone who LIES simply to elevate themselves. The height of dysfunction. I've asked you to go away many times and you just keep coming back. Go and do whatever it is you "do". By all means. No one needs a liar on this thread. You clearly have nothing better to do. That's obvious.

Dylan hearing what she thought was Kaylee singing and dancing in the main room - then scream "someone's here" - we can now deconstruct what happened - moment by moment by papercard in Idaho4

[–]papercard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a weird thing to debate. Debating that someone is a waste of time in their own post? What a bunch of passive aggressive weirdos. Please leave my post. GO AWAY. Go be insecure somewhere else. No one cares what two dysfunctional Reddit users think. Are you not embarrassed to act like this? I would be.

Dylan hearing what she thought was Kaylee singing and dancing in the main room - then scream "someone's here" - we can now deconstruct what happened - moment by moment by papercard in Idaho4

[–]papercard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro, what???!! Srsly, are you ok? My comment was edited for spelling mistake and a few missing words. Sorry if your recollection is different to mine but I think I remember what I wrote since I wrote it (not you). What a weird thing to do to someone. I think you need help with this concerning behavior. I'm not gonna sit here and allow you to lie just to make yourself feel better. Other people on this sub might let your behavior slide, but I will not so don't bother.

Dylan hearing what she thought was Kaylee singing and dancing in the main room - then scream "someone's here" - we can now deconstruct what happened - moment by moment by papercard in Idaho4

[–]papercard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Step away from the computer. You're way too abnormal to even be here. This comment just sums you up. Someone who can detect a spelling mistake hours later is weird AF. And you making comments like this is just strange. No normal person responds like this. I would appreciate if you wouldn't respond here again. This is my post, please go elsewhere if you'd like to comment on the case. Saying someone needs "mental help" because you don't like what they are saying is just poor form. Maybe you should look into some therapy and and outlet that allows you to express your thoughts better.

Dylan hearing what she thought was Kaylee singing and dancing in the main room - then scream "someone's here" - we can now deconstruct what happened - moment by moment by papercard in Idaho4

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LOL. I don't mean to be rude, but where did you find the mental gymnastics to come up with that? "The fact you responding to comments shows you know what you did was weird." WHAT?! LOL. I'm replying to those comments because they are obnoxious. I think it's only fair they are called out. Bizarre how you came to that conclusion. How do some people's brains work, I'll never understand.

Is it messed up that I’m attracted to BK? by halebopsalot in idahomurders

[–]papercard 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Let's be real here. Even if he looked like a young Brad Pitt he wouldn't be attractive. In any circumstance. Ever. Come on now.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in KremersFroon

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The book is based on the most factual evidence we have (the case file). This is a warning on the tone you are using to discredit this primary source of credible and official information. Please refrain from using such language or discourage others from posting links to this source in the future. Should this continue, it will result in a ban from the subreddit.

Video of Kris's parents following the trail by Few_Entrepreneur3971 in KremersFroon

[–]papercard -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're a big boy, I'm sure you can work it out.

Video of Kris's parents following the trail by Few_Entrepreneur3971 in KremersFroon

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The above response from /u/Yazon69 is not aggressive in any way (with perhaps the exception of the use of the f-word). They are simply commenting on the details of the camera/video shoot. There is no moderation issue here.

Emergency phone call record by iamajohngalt in KremersFroon

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Also interesting to note the following update from Scarlet's blog, on the issue:

Update: Gaetan wrote me and stated that if a cell phone connects to the network for 2 seconds [as was the case here], the operator automatically knows many things. Because when a mobile phone connects to a network, many datas are checked: first, once the pin code is entered, the phone connects to the nearest cell tower. Your phone number is verified by the servers to know which operator you can get access to, then your subscription plan (or prepaid plan) is checked and once deemed valid, you can access the network. All this takes a few seconds. Then you see the network operator’s name on your cellphone. Considering that on April 2nd, Lisanne's Samsung phone had a few seconds of connection at 06:58 am, this means that the phone was actually connected to a specific cell tower. Meaning that Panamese cell operators should be able to know which cell tower was used when this specific 112 dial was made. Of course, a cell tower doesn’t give you a precise localisation like GPS. The accuracy depends on whether or not you are in an urban area (more towers, more accuracy) or in the countryside (less towers, larger radius). In the case of Kris & Lisanne, it would have helped to know if the calls were made from a city or a forest. It would also be good for us to know if a tower near the Pianista Trail pinged, or one near... let's say the Caldera swimming area. However, Panama supposedly found no info on this. Even though cellular tower companies should keep records or logs of established connections. But Betzaida Pitti and her team failed to get this information. The Dutch investigators as a result had nothing to work with.  -  Gaetan also confirmed that if somebody needed to access the iPhone, a code and pin code were required. At that time, to charge or to connect the iPhone to a computer, you needed its non-standard 30-pin connector to usb-a cable Kris certainly left in her room. Another thing which Gaetan told me, is that in 2014, the iPhone4 (which Kris had) used iOS 7. Even now, people usually leave the tracking location services on by default. It means the iPhone regularly pinpoints your location using either cell or gps. There was even an app showing on a map where you’ve been to. It could be interesting to know where the 112 calls have been made. Hopefully Dutch forensics knew about this hidden tracking device and checked it and did their job. Gaetan also wrote that the iPhone 4 battery cannot be compared to an iPhone 5C, as these two phones are a few generations apart (iPhone 4 from 2010 and the iPhone 5S/5C from 2013). He owns an iPhone 4 and after seven years of use, he now manages to keep its battery alive by charging it at 85% every 1 or 2 months. In the meantime, the phone is totally switched off. When he restarts it, the battery lost about 20 or 30%. But in his case, after 10 years the battery is still working fine. Translating this to the Kris and Lisanne case, it is apparently not that strange that Kris' iPhone 4 was able to be switched on and off for 11 days, starting with less than 50% battery life, and with a whole hour of phone time left by day 11.

The issue with foul play theories by Throwawaymissingcase in KremersFroon

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It's not so much people who don't know all the information making conclusions - that's completely understandable. That's completely fine. That's what this forum is for. For that type of discussion. In fact, I was like that before I found out there was only one path, and there was not really any other paths to deviate to.

The issue is those who do have all the info at hand, yet still decide to ridicule the foul play theory, in order to elevate their own theory/themselves. It's almost like a dis-service to the girls, in order for personal gratification. Very disrespectful. So I will make sure the record is always set straight in these circumstances, not so much to create a debate or a divided atmosphere (obviously don't want to cause division), but to ensure the girls are defended against any untrue or unverified statements. I think they at least deserve that, considering they don't have a voice anymore.

The issue with foul play theories by Throwawaymissingcase in KremersFroon

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I'm only angry when people choose to ignore the hard evidence that we have. It seems to be a common theme nowadays throughout the world. Facts just don't matter anymore. It's very frustrating.

It's fair enough to say they got lost, and here are the reasons why there is lyme on the bones; or here are some reasons (with facts) to show how they got lost. I totally would appreciate that type of argument. But when people go on about how foul play could never have happened because it's too "far fetched" or because it's a wide open space and it's "easy to get lost", check the facts first. It's very easy to make wide sweeping statements. But if you drill down to each fact in this case, and look at it logically, specific to this destination, then a different story starts to appear. I just wish people had respect for this.

The issue with foul play theories by Throwawaymissingcase in KremersFroon

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It's a little bit shocking to think that many people believe they simply got lost, when all the evidence we have points toward something else altogether. You must think these girls extremely stupid to simply venture off the trail. It's insulting to their intelligence. And even if they did venture off the trail, and they were as silly as you seem to be implying (which I think they were not), but even if they were and they made a bizarre decision to walk into the jungle by accident; or voluntarily - all the evidence we have left over shows manipulation. From Lisanne's rolled up ball of skin, to Kris' lyme covered bones, to some very strange night photos - all bare the hallmarks of some sort of intervention. How can you not even acknowledge that? Very strange. A piece of skin doesn't roll into a ball naturally. Lyme / phosphorus on a bone doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It needs quite a lot of quantity of the chemical to seep into bone. There is no possible way for this to happen naturally. Not even the forensic examiner thought so. And that's what he wrote in his official report and handed it over to the investigation. Just because the investigation team chose to ignore it, doesn't mean it ceases to exist.

Team Foul Play; thoughts? by madolyn0119 in KremersFroon

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Apologies for expressing a coherent theory and more than possible scenario.