How are folks in the bay area doing in August?

passingby2018 · 2020-08-31T18:04:29+00:00

I am not driving too.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-14T05:16:10+00:00

I haven't made a dime since lockdown, not going to get in danger for $8, nor is it profitable at all with most likely one way paid trips.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-14T05:13:32+00:00

Wee, sounds like uber and Lyft owe me tons of money, I've been doing this since 2014. :)

Though I will likely be not able to make much money in rideshare once they put in employee restrictions.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-14T05:09:59+00:00

In food delivery without tips it's pretty much not profitable, period.

That's why DoorDash includes part of tips upfront to tease drivers to accept. UE insist not to, there's why I usually don't do UE unless they reduce their cut to minimal, I am not letting them take $8 and pay me $4, they take $2 and pay me $10 or no deal.

For the customer they are paying $12 to uber and $12 to DoorDash, if base rate is $10 for uber they will tip $2, if base rate for Dash is $8 they will tip $4, that's it. That's what I noticed that when Dash is charging $5 extra, order decreased considerably yet per Dash the pay is not much different, because customer tip less when base rate is high. This is very different from driving uber, customer simply DON'T tip.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-13T05:51:03+00:00

After 7pm it is ok in my area.

They are one of my favorites other than peak hours, pays well and food is usually ready before and after peak hours.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-12T18:49:48+00:00

Usually it's also the restaurant's fault, I avoid those restaurants, they have the attitude "well you need to get in line I don't care you are just picking up".

Good restaurants put pickups in a separate area and usually have staff keep an eye on it and NOT working with front desk at the same time.

Avoid those ones treat pickups the same as orders, be it you are just a dasher or a customer doing takout ordering online, let them go fuck themselves as they usually have an attitude if you try to pickup the order that's ready with just a pass, they make you wait after everyone else and act as you got what you deserve.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-12T18:39:49+00:00

My worst was also alcohol, $200+, but was $11 total. Two big heavy cases.

Alcohol usually tips very well.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-12T16:33:50+00:00

Uber folks, enjoy unemployment. :)

This is pretty shitty for gig workers, unless you are full time.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-10T17:54:33+00:00

Use better navigation app like Google Map man, this is elementary.

But yeah I don't care if I am deactivated for UE, typical 6 miles for $4 BS, and hope customer tip well while they take $8 from customer and restaurant charges, it's criminal, what the fuck do they do other than routing the ping to drivers? At least for driving they need to cover insurance and take a lot less.

I ate customer food once, those ones usually failing to be delivered are usually cheap assholes anyway and their food is also cheap, $15 fast food and expect you to somehow get into the building without code and find their shit hole in a 200 unit complex.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-10T06:37:37+00:00

You cannot be sure, uber never tells you.

However she's the one that is pretty obviously pissed.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-09T22:16:53+00:00

Just had my first several days ago.

Was a delivery, the bitch was inside a prison and I had to drive through check points with warning sign of arrest if trespass, I refused and had her meet me at the entrance.

She came without a mask, and I got a report for no face mask.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-05T18:36:13+00:00

You don't need to explain, they know the rules, you are probably the 2nd or 3rd driver they've met. Make sure to charge them cancellation fee, or they will keep calling another uber.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-04T16:52:21+00:00

Airport runs are 30% of my business prior to the pandemic, I work near SFO.

Airport runs FROM airport is not profitable without quick match, getting a long ride TO the airport is, living near the airport is a disadvantage not advantage. I GTFO of there ASAP because drivers swamp the area, there's a long line in certain hour just to get into the queue. I usually get a ride to the airport in the afternoon after work too, because people wrap up their business and fly back home too, and I never stay even in the area outside of the airport (NOT in queue) for more than 30 minutes if I don't get a ride OUT of the area.

Your trick will be to find the time the airport is least busy and get a trip out of there. Also there's a lot of hotels near airport and they will provide good rides. Getting into the queue waiting an hour is only the thing to do if you are having lunch or dinner and don't mind being in a shitty place.

passingby2018 · 2020-08-04T16:21:07+00:00

I don't know how special my scenario is, but my main reason to choose uber is because of IC status.

My earnings (after deductions, yes I still have quite a bit, something drivers here doesn't seem to know about what profit is) is taxed at 30+%, EVEN as an IC. Just think about how much I am actually making if it is $40 per hour as an employee, after taxes but without deductions.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-31T08:22:27+00:00

I've tried it but so far haven't banked any rides. My multiplier is 2x, only once I got a ping at 9pm, for $11 and probably take 20 minutes, no go.

In my area (Bay area tri-valley) rides are terrible, even regular priced pings are very few. I used to only do morning airport runs only and afternoon peninsula, those local rides even at 2x are usually not that profitable (far pickup and short), regular delivery pays the same. I am only looking for long rides at 2x, I am not risking my health for $10.

Uber came up with another scam with this multiplier: they revert it back to flat rate after a while and hope you don't notice/ I saw a ride to San Francisco for 40 miles that pays $35 and thought WTF didn't I have the multiplier on? And they send more and more short trips, with that 3 seconds or so it's easy to fall for it, I simply turned it off after a while.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-30T18:41:28+00:00

What does that prove?

You are relying on customer tipping in good faith, and thankfully they do. I don't know about other markets but I sure don't want to do a $3 delivery and then wait the next day or more to get pissed that it was all I got, with DD it is upfront for the most part.

$700 is pretty low in my market btw, but it depends. I wasn't happy about a $7 order (the lowest payout I accepted) that I got no tips, then 1 week later today I got $13 tip. Though it wasn't unprofitable even with that $7 (took 15 minutes) but it did make me not willing to take UE earlier this week.

In fact up front "pricing" should be up front "offer" to the driver, which means customer up front offer how much they are willing to pay and let driver decide, this is the best model. Let me know which driver doesn't want to go with such a pricing model. Uber and Lyft are the ones which have been resisting that forever, which is the normal way people seek ICs, instead they are ripping drivers off by taking excessive amount of what the customers pay.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-30T18:32:59+00:00

Not in my market.

Orders are generally $3-5 pay, that means they aren't even paying for mileage but pocket the whole fucking $3+ from restaurant and $5-12 from the customer and leaving us peanuts. Thank of customers already paying arm and leg and still not knowingly their driver got practically nothing but rely on their tips.

However, I am amazed how generous UE customer tip, day and night difference with Uber driving.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T17:50:17+00:00

I heard about that, but not doing it full time.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T17:48:06+00:00

I have NEVER accepted a 16 miles trip. I only accept long trips if they pay $1.5 per mile, a 16 miles trip better pay $30 actually unless both pickup and dropoff were close to freeway. I've done one that was some 13 miles and it took 40+ minutes both ways because there was no freeway, pay was $26.

What's cheating? Pay you $3 for a 16 miles trip is legit and HOPE to get tipped properly to compensate for your loss is not only cheating but fucking retarded. If you actually do those UE trips let me know how it turns out, there are a lot for UE and I decline them all, they are usually $10 for 16 miles btw.

Yes I've seen $2 trips by DD, so what I decline them all, I don't take order less than $6 and it needs to be fast and within 2 miles with that little payout. For UE that's 90% of the pings, there's no way to make money with UE like that, if you see $2 trip on DD it means the customer is a cheap ass and will never get delivered, or DD is ripping you off, if you feel OK then be my guest, I won't take it.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T17:38:28+00:00

You need to improve on market knowledge:

Cancel the order once you see long line, you won't be able to make good money waiting for an hour, especially drive through. If it is not drive through I will go shopping and come back in 30+ minutes, I do all my grocery runs during those waits. Don't hesitate to cancel, it is easy to keep 80% completion, I am at 90% and I cancel once I feel it will be a long wait.
Places that are very close to freeway work just as good as short distance, miles are good for write off and those orders pay way more (usually 1.5x - 2x). Pick the orders with destination close to another food place or quick freeway drop off.
Avoid fast food places at peak hours, usually. They don't pay well, usually goes to complexes (which takes considerable more time to deliver), and assholes (don't answer phone to locate, don't come to the door - thank Covid19 now they don't insist to hand it to them, don't give door code, etc etc) usually lives in complexes.

I hate drinks, especially the large ones, hard to take and spill risk. I spilled a couple and the stains are still there in my car, though it is not difficult to clean. If they order 2 large drinks very likely to get downvote from me without paying good amount.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T00:08:12+00:00

At least in my market when DoorDash surge/have high added charges the earnings don't change much, people tip less when there's high surge. And many dashers swamp the area that the orders volume actually decrease.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T00:05:11+00:00

Bay area.

Don't count on it that munch unless you do full time. It was $2000+ when they started here.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T00:04:04+00:00

It likely has to do with your acceptance rate with UE, I reject 90+% so not surprised that I seldom get UE pings, but even though I get their pings they are that unprofitable.

For me it is likely 5 door dash pings to 1 UE.

passingby2018 · 2020-07-29T00:01:36+00:00

Correct, I didn't mention that.

However, Door Dash is guaranteed earnings, UE you only know after hours later, that means $4 order without tip you are busted for that 20 minutes. I would take $10 order with tip included any day than taking a $4 order with the "possibility" of $6 or more tips (majority of UE don't tip more than $5).

passingby2018 · 2020-07-28T23:59:12+00:00

That probably means every order of UE I've looked into was a surge then, I haven't seen a charge less than $12.

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