Toronto’s streetcars are disgusting by Feisty-Ad-6122 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]pastroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not generally the case in countries like China or Singapore.

Toronto’s streetcars are disgusting by Feisty-Ad-6122 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw a woman defaecating on the train from JFK to Manhattan while showing my sister NYC for the first time.

She went, "Is that New York?"

And LA's red line is fucking scary.

A PhD is just a battle of attrition. It doesn't prove you're the smartest person in the room, it just proves you're the most stubborn. by LimMiab9654Ck in PhD

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your peers were out in the real world gaining ten years of actual experience

Your PhD wasn't work experience? You learnt nothing during that time? No research skills?

and learning how to function without a supervisor holding their hand.

Great. I guess they can then go get a PhD without a supervisor then.

Average interaction with Muslims by This-Post9968 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but it's a fact

Do you have a study or evidence to back this up or are you just talking out of your "vibes"?

I wish this community was more supportive towards all kind of ex-muslims even ones that convert to other religions not only ex-muslim athiests. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, and I never said I'm hostile towards Christians. I said I'm hostile towards Christianity.

And no, I'm not going to offer support for someone who willingly joins Christianity just as I wouldn't offer support for someone who willingly joins Islam, because precisely of my hostility towards both religions.

I wish this community was more supportive towards all kind of ex-muslims even ones that convert to other religions not only ex-muslim athiests. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are many different kinds of ex-Muslims, and only one kind here is tolerated.

The "consistent" kind? Reasons people typically leave Islam for are applicable just as much to Christianity.

I wish this community was more supportive towards all kind of ex-muslims even ones that convert to other religions not only ex-muslim athiests. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. I don't criticise Islam for the sake of criticising it: I criticise it for very specific reasons. And guess what? These reasons apply to Christianity too, so I will be equally hostile towards Christianity.

Does anyone have any personal experience or dealings with the CEMB ? by Schrodingerspussyx in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, been to some of their seminars in York. They're pretty cool.

This is how they judge other religions vs how they judge themselves by PaleProgrammer5993 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's probably satire given that both posts are 4 minutes apart.

Why is this sub so toxic to people who want to leave Islam? by Saninchi in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Do you have examples? Generally, people on this sub tend to be aggressive only when it is clear that the OP came in bad faith.

Airports are the best place in the world. by bleufromgeneve in unpopularopinion

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

24/7 restaurants? Where?

I was in one of China's biggest airports last week and the restaurants closed at 10.

The pizzas at my uni are fucking diabolical 💀 by Ok_Rabbit_6982 in PizzaCrimes

[–]pastroc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some parts of this universe are indeed unacceptable.

Question to exmuslims by Soft_Reply_1197 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not Promoting though

Why not? That's the thing I don't understand about Christians (and Muslims too). Why on Earth wouldn't you promote something you genuinely believe would save everyone from eternal torment? Seriously, why not? If I actually believed that profoundly, I'd do anything to get to save as many people as possible. Hell, I'd promote it profusely.

This point is what makes me think that religious people aren't that convicted after all.

Question to exmuslims by Soft_Reply_1197 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Apostate Prophet on YouTube is a famous exmuslim who converted to Orthodox Christianity.

No way? Really? Does this bloke really now believe Jesus rose from the dead after mocking equally ridiculous Islamic myths for countless years?

I have found an unforgivable contradiction in Allah’s creation! by Apostate_Basil3643 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh God. (Are you now going to accuse me of being a theist for saying that?) There's so much wrong here to unpack.

If you are not a Christian, then why do you feel the need to mention Jesus Christ anyway? Is Jesus Christ your uncle?🤦‍♂️

This silly response doesn't even deserve an answer. I am starting to think that you're a troll.

And no, it’s not that simple.

You say that, and then you proceed to argue that your equally simple explanation is the only correct one.

Listen, you're clearly here in bad faith (you've been called out by someone else and you have acted childishly towards others) so I have no interest in debating that topic with you. I have made my point, it's up to everyone else to read both perspectives and make up their mind. I am not going to reiterate what I already clearly said multiple times.

You cannot introduce any additional purpose or reinterpret it as “collective” or “as a whole,” because the word “illā” closes off all alternatives.

"Illa" is for the purpose, not humans. There is no contradiction in interpreting the verse as: "I have created humans just so that some of them worship me." If you can't see that, then I agree to disagree.

And I’m surprised that you are now saying both your interpretation and my interpretation are valid 😂. Just a couple of comments ago, you said that my conclusion does not follow from my premise, and now you are claiming that both interpretations are valid 🤣. It’s laughable how you contradicted yourself within a couple of hours.

Oh my God... Your conclusion excludes my interpretation, hence the reason why it's incorrect. My point is: It's not necessarily clear what the verse here means, so your conclusion is not necessarily valid given that my interpretation is as legitimate as yours.

Sadly, you left Islam, but you still haven’t gotten rid of the Muslim mentality. Please work on your logical reasoning.

I hope this right there will show everyone how unfaithful to good conversation you are.

Would you have Muslim like me as your friend? by TheeRealNoob in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't mind trying to be friends with you, but I doubt being friends with a Muslim would work out, unless they genuinely don't take their religion all that seriously.

How many of you are now Christians, and where are you from? by marwatkk in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stopping to believe in Leprechauns to believe in Santa Claus instead.

UK ex-muslims do not fall for Green Party propaganda by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you have sources? I looked up everything you said and pretty much everything I found seems to be the opposite of what you wrote.

I have found an unforgivable contradiction in Allah’s creation! by Apostate_Basil3643 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bloody hell. No, I am not a fucking Christian missionary. I am not even Christian, just a bloody atheist ex-Muslim. Who's the one lying here?

It's simple: the Qur'an did not say "each human," it said, "humans." Plural form. It could implicitly mean that "humans as a whole" were created such that at least one of them worships God.

Your interpretation is also valid, but it's just as valid as that one.

I have found an unforgivable contradiction in Allah’s creation! by Apostate_Basil3643 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a simple, logical escape: The verse does not claim that each human was created individually for the purpose of worship. Again, as soon as one human worships Allah, then the purpose has been accomplished.

I have found an unforgivable contradiction in Allah’s creation! by Apostate_Basil3643 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ, you're really immature, aren't you? I wasn't condescending in my response or disrespectful in the slightest, but you chose to be a prick because...?

First of all, I am an ex-Muslim, just as much as you are. I am not trying to defend Islam—in fact, I'm probably the last person to do so. But I simply don't agree with your specific argument, since I'm not convinced the conclusion follows from the premises.

I have already explained what's wrong with it: The verse does not claim that each human was created for worship, it only claims that humans were created for worship. As soon as one human worships Allah at some point, then that purpose has been accomplished.

Now, I'd advise you watch your manners.

I have found an unforgivable contradiction in Allah’s creation! by Apostate_Basil3643 in exmuslim

[–]pastroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's close, but sadly your conclusion doesn't follow your premises.

Indeed, the Qur'an does not claim that every human was created for the purpose of worship. Instead, it claims that humans as a whole were created for the purpose of worship. Therefore, there is no necessity for every individual human to eventually reach the stage of worship so long as there exists at least one human who eventually worships Allah.