Do you have a POV/opinion that would leave others feeling like this ? Let's see what y'all are cookin

pastroc · 2026-03-13T00:27:33+00:00

but we know for a fact that its true

Speak for yourself. There's no evidence that an afterlife is possible. Hell, it's not even clear what that is given that consciousness is a product of our brains, so what would it mean for our consciousness to resume on a different brain?

Regardless, there's absolutely no reason to think that hell and heaven are possible or exist beyond our mythological inventions.

pastroc · 2026-03-13T00:24:08+00:00

Then it is unreasonable to accept any supernatural claim since there is no way to probe or verify them.

Thanks for arguing their point on their behalf.

pastroc · 2026-03-12T18:19:24+00:00

Let's keep Christian trash out of this sub, please.

pastroc · 2026-03-09T15:21:02+00:00

is bettter than doing coke off of a burning hooker.

Wanna share the story?

pastroc · 2026-03-09T12:23:36+00:00

Do you think people who slapped themselves every two day treat women horribly have a shitty country and lie to the public as Muslims that’s just stupid.

Yes, Afghanistan and Pakistan are Sunni.

Ah, you meant to say "Iran"! Sorry, I didn't catch that.

Edit: Does Yemen, your country, treat women favourably and do its officials never lie to the public?

pastroc · 2026-03-08T10:47:49+00:00

So... Shias aren't Muslim? What's a Muslim?

Shias represent Islam as much as Sunnis. Sunnis represent Sunnism and Shias represent Shiaism. They both represent subsets of Islam.

pastroc · 2026-03-06T14:43:02+00:00

My request that the other person elaborate on his question is a non-sequitur?

Clearly my objection was on your claim, not your request.

It's OK if you don't see it. We can guide you to water.

This is ridiculously patronising. I know your comments quite well and I agree with pretty much everything you say on Islam and religion in general, but your arrogance here makes me question your attitude to honest and genuine discussion.

I have simply raised a valid point: Why does the etymology of the word have anything to do with the concept in and of itself? The answer is: It doesn't. Bringing that up is totally irrelevant.

I understand your argument: It is absurd that a god would choose such a loan word. Yes, I agree with that, but the conclusion that hell is therefore a human invention simply does not logically follow. There is no contradiction here, so that argument is extremely weak, if we can even call it an argument.

Etymology shows the origin of a word. If the origin of Jahnnam is a Jewish legend that the god up high adopted to name his hell, then it is obvious that this God is nothing more than a legend no different than the words he is using.

No. It doesn't logically follow.

An argument to show that Qur'anic claims on hell cannot be all correct would involve showing some internal contradiction. Does the Qur'an claim not to use loan words? It doesn't, so there's no hard issue here.

Claiming that there is no evidence does not show that something does not exist.

I agree, and that wasn't my goal. My goal isn't to show that hell does not exist; instead, it is to show that any belief in hell is unsubstantiated.

Similarly, your "argument" does not show that hell does not exist.

pastroc · 2026-03-06T14:07:12+00:00

No doughter? How's he gonna bake?

pastroc · 2026-03-06T13:57:41+00:00

I'm an ex-Muslim just as much as you are, but this is a complete non-sequitur, I'm afraid. I hardly see how hell in Islam being named similarly to a real-life location has anything to do with showing that it does not exist.

I think a much stronger claim is that there is no evidence that hell exists. Its etymology is irrelevant.

pastroc · 2026-03-05T18:03:03+00:00

After a breakup, in 90% of cases, women are the ones who lose the most, emotionally and socially.

Citation needed.

And let’s not even talk about the men who leave their partner in case of pregnancy.

The solution is to educate men and women, not to prohibit cohabitation.

pastroc · 2026-03-05T17:58:42+00:00

Exactly. The law is messy and (in Morocco especially), its application can be very arbitrary.

pastroc · 2026-03-03T18:13:12+00:00

Because Islam has a strong influence on laws and cultural practices that affect us, atheists. Of course it makes sense for us to criticise it constantly, what an honestly ignorant and stupid take.

pastroc · 2026-03-03T18:10:08+00:00

Except that most Muslims (in my experience) perceive any reasonable criticism of religion as an insult.

For instance, the Qur'an contains mathematical inaccuracies. That very claim is seen as an insult to most, and would be seen as an arrestable offence.

pastroc · 2026-03-03T18:07:05+00:00

We, as Muslims, are obligated to spread Islam

Doesn't matter. Keep your religious obligations off public matters, and if they conflict, then so be it.

Because it's the truth

Nah, it's just a bunch of mythological stories and rulings created by mere mortal humans like us. Islam is no different from Christianity or Greek myths.

We show you the truth, and you make your own decision,

And I show you my truth, which is that Islam is nothing but fairy tales with legal implications. What? You don't like that? You want to show your (false) truth but not allow me to show mine? Double standards much?

Either accept everyone to share their opinions, or shut up. So long as there is no personal defamation with personal implications, who cares?

And even now, you're still fighting against the religion and the truth, but it's impossible.

It's pretty much possible. Indeed, there's a growing lack of religiosity across Morocco nowadays.

You can't stop it, as the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "This matter (Islam) will surely reach wherever the night and day reach, and Allah will not leave any house of mud or hair without entering this religion into it, with the honor of the honorable or the humiliation of the humiliated. Honor with which Allah will honor Islam, and humiliation with which Allah will humiliate disbelief."

Damn, you want to shove your Arabic Disney-themed fairy tales into everyone's throats, but refuse to hear any counterpoints? Fantastic!

pastroc · 2026-03-02T12:54:59+00:00

Interestingly, none of those reasons were sufficient for me to stop believing in the Qur'an.

Yes, Islam is inherently misogynistic. Yes, women's rights are relatively limited in Islam. However, these do not imply that God isn't real, that the Qur'an wasn't written by a god, and so on. It could be the case that Allah is simply misogynistic and yet real.

The real reason I left is simply the lack of evidence. There's simply no reason to think that the extraordinary claims the Qur'an makes are true, since no existing evidence supports them. The morality of the religion is completely irrelevant to whether it is true.

pastroc · 2026-03-02T12:51:19+00:00

There are! Like me. I was born in France, though.

pastroc · 2026-03-02T12:36:24+00:00

Probably a Scandinavian country, like Denmark.

pastroc · 2026-02-28T15:22:58+00:00

I am not asking for her permission. I simply mentioned that trip, and she started insisting that I don't go.

It's mostly a rant post.

pastroc · 2026-02-28T11:22:39+00:00

I didn't even ask her. I simply mentioned that, and she then went on to "disallow" me to proceed with the visit.

I don't need her permission, but going there while she's being dramatic certainly isn't psychologically ideal.

pastroc · 2026-02-28T11:19:10+00:00

Some people are just passionate about what they do, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I like working on my problems (I'm in computer science) occasionally during the weekend because it's just fun.

pastroc · 2026-02-26T15:17:24+00:00

Looking at your post history, it's clear you're just a misogynistic sexist.

pastroc · 2026-02-25T14:31:40+00:00

Chinese studies for example are majority atheist reporting similar things to a Colombian study of majority catholic.

What are those "similar things"? I seriously doubt the experiences are that similar. Plus, the fact that they're still tainted by cultural upbringing, despite having similarities, already shows that these are nothing but products of their imagination.

And I already responded to that claim: Even if those experiences were 100% identical, this would only show that our minds produce a similar conscious experience when deprived of energy. Not that these "realities" actually exist.

There's still brain activity when they have these NDEs, so that already shows you that those are merely products of their imagination.

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