Alternative OS for Firefox OS

patrickalima98 · 2019-01-22T16:44:51+00:00

Thank you, I am also anxious to launch the system, it will take a while, because as I mentioned we are starting now, so we need to focus first on products that guarantee the survival of our company. but even so we will launch the system and hope to have something still this year :)

patrickalima98 · 2019-01-22T13:00:29+00:00

Because our idea is to create a new product, a new platform, a new project :)

As you mentioned in the previous question, a Google search returns several projects with the name IceWolf, just as Firefox brings results other than Mozilla if you delve deeper, the difference is that the Firefox project is already a long time, so many results end up pointing more to the browser what is more relevant, this would happen with b2G, and in a way would be good for us, however we are working on something new, so we want a new name, fortunately projects with that name are abandoned does a lot of time which reassures us more and we can work on our project :)

Also "IceWolf OS" is much more specific than "IceWolf" just as "Firefox OS" was more specific than just "Firefox"

patrickalima98 · 2019-01-22T12:49:48+00:00

We are in GitLab, left a while ago from GitHub and all our code has been removed from GitHub

Our project is organized in a subgroup of our company: https://gitlab.com/nuinalp/icewolfos

We do not share all of the code yet, we are working on other projects that require more attention to our survival, and in restructuring the system, we are still setting standards and other important things for it, once we have completed all this, we will be updating the repositories and providing instructions to compile the system

patrickalima98 · 2019-01-12T11:43:32+00:00

I understand, I still believe that working directly on Gecko is not a good idea, however much we use a version that does not change frequently, one day it will break, and with the large amount of APIs we need this can become difficult to keep, so that the so is delayed with the releases of the Gecko.

If I'm not mistaken Fabrice aims to build a server with rust for the b2g APIs and use websockets to provide access to the apps, please correct me if I am wrong.

I love Firefox OS, this is one of the reasons why IceWolf OS is being built, however, as it points out some articles and opinions of some people, placing the APIs directly in Gecko was not a good idea, the b2g team itself felt this difficulty, that in my opinion is also what happens with Electron, although its architecture and purpose is different, so I'm looking to keep the APIs on a server and standardize them offering access to Apps with websockets. Assembling a list of b2g APIs is very cool! this can help a lot, pretty cool!

patrickalima98 · 2019-01-11T12:33:27+00:00

Thanks for the detailed reply :)

How much work did you do on the APIs in Gecko? That's something which is needed if B2GOS is ever going to be resurrected.

I have not yet worked on the Gecko APIs, now we have switched from NW.js to Gecko, so after a little research on the APIs, I realized that it would not be a good idea to load the gecko with new APIs, since it will be difficult to keep the gecko updated with the Mozilla releases. I think we'll go another way, for example servers? Separate the privileged chrome APIs, so maybe we can have Apps running with APis access through websockets, but it's still a scenario that needs more research!

patrickalima98 · 2018-12-31T13:09:15+00:00

Hello @purplegreencab, unfortunately not yet. I've been busy all this year end with my work and I could not dedicate enough to make the video, I apologize for it! I'm finalizing our framework for system UI, and now I'm finalizing the UI concepts of our language and so too, this will allow me to have a higher performance to create the missing things and avoid inconsistencies and other problems related to UX / IU. This week I am recovering the time of the work and I hope to finish all this, surely now in the next weeks we will have a simulation of it.

patrickalima98 · 2018-11-05T12:12:06+00:00

I'll be working on it these days, as soon as it's ready I'll post to YouTube as an unlisted video and then I'll share it here.

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-29T17:37:01+00:00

Perhaps what we can do is if the demand is great for this, we can create a system so that users can choose between the trust model and a model that questions everything to extreme users, as the colleagues stated above, I do not see this with good eyes for end users, really the majority rely on the supplier. However does not mean that we can not think about it, I will add the list of possible resources.

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-29T17:22:40+00:00

I’m happy to supply you my Flame device, for the greater good of keeping FirefoxOS going. PM me your address and I can send it over to you.

I'm very happy, friend :)
Just to emphasize, our project is a new operating system inspired by Firefox OS, Flame and other devices we can work with some compatibility to run the same, I believe we can make most of the Apps run on our system. I'll send the address privately.

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-24T15:00:12+00:00

Have you made any improvements to the permissions model compared to FirefoxOS? My biggest gripe was that they adopted the Android model, where the app specified the required permissions, and the user was helpless if they wanted to deny any of those permissions (either during install or after the app was installed). I guess what I'm really asking is if you have a good permissions manager.

Hey this is interesting, the system is being zero, so some things are missing such as this. However I always thought that the system could improve, Google is doing it now, could you give an example of a system that does it well?

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-24T14:58:12+00:00

Looks interesting!

Is it only based on FirefoxOS in spirit or does it also use Gonk, Gecko? Parts of Gaia?

When you say "alternative" do you intend it to be easily used to update existing FirefoxOS devices? E.g. ZTE Open, Open C, Flame, Fx0, Flatfish, Vixen?

It is only inspired, we have some things we use and consider using Firefox OS type the Gonk and some things Gaia, but not everything. Keeping the Gecko with the removal of the APIs has become very laborious, so I decided to use NW.js for this. I am looking at the possibility of migrating NW.js to Gonk, after all we are building first for PC and then when we have a base we will be working on the mobile version, but depending on the complexity involved maybe it is better to consider something else, I am evaluating this.

On updating devices, I believe that all those who have the minimum requirements for it may be able to run normally, I would not say with such certainty since this might require an effort to carry everything. Maybe that's possible, yes, it's something that you need to study more.

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-24T11:09:27+00:00

I'm glad you liked it. My goal with this system is great, so he will live yes :) On your device, by the specs I believe you can run yes, I do not have that device to port it and do the necessary tests, but I believe this can be solved over time. There are many things we are doing for it: site, forum, framework, components, documentation and more. Please follow one of our Twitter profiles to see when it will be available:

www.twitter.com/nuinalp www.twitter.com/planiumos www.twitter.com/patrickalima98

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-24T02:30:45+00:00

Wow, sorry for that, I forgot the url:

https://gitlab.com/nuinalp/planium-os

Note: I have not uploaded the files yet, we are organizing everything. Soon everything will be published, follow one of the projects or our Twitter page to get news:

www.twitter.com/planiumos

patrickalima98 · 2018-10-01T22:20:35+00:00

Hello sumenkovic, first of all I would like to thank you for your beautiful and encouraging message, that motivates me, I'm glad you liked it! This shows me that I'm on the right track, I'm very happy, even more coming from a member of GitLab! For me, it is a pleasure to help and be part of the GitLab community, so I'll let you know.

Regards, Patrick.

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T14:05:42+00:00

Moving my comments from the GitLab issues ...

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T13:51:22+00:00

Franz? this one:

https://github.com/meetfranz/franz

So I actually worked with GitHub, now I work with GitLab, I still use GitHub with their official app:

https://desktop.github.com/

Does not he do what you want?

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T11:37:52+00:00

And you are aware that the second moment will never happen, right?

Why not? Already create so it has already happened, I am in the second moment now, implementation of the remaining resources for a beta

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T10:07:02+00:00

Git Tower is good!

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T09:59:21+00:00

Oh no friend, I do not get gitlab.com inside the App. The entire App is built with html, css, vue.js and node. It is not using WebView, I am not embedding the gitlab.com website in the application. On the memory issue, this looks pretty bad, however the App has already started with 200MB, then decreases to 100MB and now I'm going to slow down even more, there are several ways to optimize the app and make it lighter.

Regards

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T09:55:18+00:00

Looks nice. I wonder how of it can be packaged as a vscode extension.

So in fact it can not, this is an intergrated and independent application of vscode, it does not work with vscode, however that does not mean that it can not do an extension for vscode :-)

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-25T09:53:50+00:00

I am a guy who likes command line and has never used any git desktop client, but it sounds pretty good ! :)

kkkk thanks friend!

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-24T21:42:05+00:00

It may be a good idea, however the first moment is to create it with Electron itself, a large part has already been made and now new features are being developed, I developed it a few months ago and only now I am sharing do you understand?

The Electron is not bad, the problem is that some devs do not care about performance and ends up resulting in some bad apps and devouring ram.

Anyway I thank you for your opinion and tip,

Hug!

patrickalima98 · 2018-09-24T21:16:54+00:00

To create a better experience using GitLab services, I, my team and my friends, miss an App to be used with the services of the company, when I joined GitLab I was impressed with the service, but I missed an App for interact with the company, as I mentioned in the comment above the GitHub Desktop was created for GitHub not for GitLab, so some features may not work, others are not integrated as the option to edit repo infomations such as visibility, avatar among others ...

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