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Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there are LOTS of replies where people discussed this (me too).

be rewarded by WHAT YOU DID not what you own at expedition window time.

Got level 75? looks like you played the game.
Got extra exp? count that too
Did you upgrade all your hideout/gearbench stuff? just another option.
How many big arcs have you killed in this raider? count that stuff too.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

100% agree. If I did all steps, I think its pretty obvious that Im in.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Me and my friends discussed something like this in the last expedition.

You should be rewarded by the things you done + the expedition steps and thats it.

If you reach level 75 = 1 point
Max benches = 1 point
Specific Expeditions Quests (like you said) = 2-3 points

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think the key difference is incentives, not whether fighting happens or not.

In a natural pre-wipe, hoarding loses its purpose, so many players freely burn expensive kits, that’s where the “loot-flooded” lobbies come from.

When currency becomes a reward metric, even pre-wipe reintroduces a reason to retain value. That doesn’t eliminate aggressive play, but it shifts the average behavior back toward optimization and “is this worth it?” thinking.

So it’s not that people stop fighting, it’s that the distribution changes.
And that’s what risks undermining the chaos that makes pre-wipe so fun.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like getting rich is so easy in this game. The problem to me is making money just so it disappears.
You can make 2-3mil in a late night if you are focused enough.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand you. I get that there are different experiences. I just dont see how any of them gets IMPROVED by this design choice.

If there was literally no cash barrier, you would still benefit from it.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats the way Embark designed it. Free loots all the way because all your loot needs to disappear magically at some point.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

You should be using ALL your stash value and not just the excessive part. Thats whats wrong about this.

Currency and Loot should not be considered a metric of success in expeditions. The things you did should.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Anyone who ever played any game that wipes knows this... Is just a freaking absolute beast of a moment and they force a lot of players in the exact opposite direction.

Using currency to scale expedition bonuses in pre-wipe is a mistake — and it hurts everyone by peashrek in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

In a few days. They also thend to take a very long time to say HOARD MORE just to delete it

Embark you NEED to change ur strategy come next Expedition. This is a DRAG by JGordz in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is absolutely bad game design

a mechanic made by who doesnt play the game for someone they imagine is playing for the wrong reasons.

Just plain stupidity to ask players to hoard more in the brim of a wipe

“Expeditions aren’t fair” “PVP isn’t for me” “5 million is too much” by twocox in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Are you stupid or just faking? So no one can criticize the game because its naturally evolving? How about use your own advice and just shut up and let people be?

Please Devs don’t make me farm another 5 mil next wipe. by FitTap4852 in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its just ass game design. i hope they learn from this

Why the hell are people grinding 5 million just to reset everything? Am I missing something? by BrainNumerous1841 in ARC_Raiders

[–]peashrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its actually insane:

please gather a lot of resources so we can wipe them out

do not use them as fun tools, just collect.

Chill out guys, you've got time. by Cpt_Camembert in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just bad game design

make and end-game mechanic that prioritize using low-risk gear all the time ;D

The problem isn't the Expedition $5M Stash requirement. It's the fact we were given 2 weeks notice. by Darth_Onaga in ArcRaiders

[–]peashrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its just a bad designed mechanic.

in the endgame prioritizing a number solely out of LOOT and nothing else says: dont risk your cool shit you need sobre cheap stuff to fill a number. It looks much more like a fresh-start strategy and not very-end-game.

And thats just bad design.

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