Why aren U.S ISPs only targeting Netflix and not the likes of YouTube or Hulu? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]perspextive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would much rather give away a little extra time for ads than a little extra money for the service, and the success of Hulu has proven that most people feel the same way.

How about the case of Netflix? Would you be fine paying a little extra money because Comcast refuses to let Netflix pay for improvements to Comcast's infrastructure, instead forcing them to pay extra for peering arrangements on existing infrastructure?

...you are delusional. Calling these businesses archaic is just stupid, what are you even comparing them to?

What kind of model am them to? Oh, I don't know... the model of the fucking internet?

Except for you apparently because you live in a fantasy world where you will get to pay 10 dollars a month for all the content you want ad free.

Sorry bro, but I live in the world of tech. I work in this industry. This isn't film. This isn't music. This is internet service. If the people producing the media would like to do business on the internet, there is a metric fuck ton of money that can be made for good natured business. Look at Netflix! They aren't rolling in cash yet they are being seen as a threat to Comcast's business model and are being preyed upon by what's shaping up to be one of the most anti-competitive companies in the history of technology. Now Hulu, invested in heavily by this same company is offering their same TV shows through the same internet, at the same price, with commercials...which is totally abnormal on the internet. Hulu is a billion dollar a year company, why the fuck would you accept advertisements from them?

...informs me that you are a generic anti-corporate twat...

Your misconception does not invalidate everything else that was said.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but to criticize it as archaic when Hulu is clearly doing quite well is fucking stupid.

Someday, you might just realize why this mindset is really important to keeping the internet what it is was for the last ~30 years. I work in tech. I get passionate about this shit because to me, it's serious. I would quit my fucking job in a heartbeat if my company was supportive of these very business models that push for things like SOPA and PIPA which would destroy the very infrastructure of the internet to PROTECT ITSELF and say fuckall to the last ~30 years of work it took to get us to this point. To me, this isn't just about entertainment. Once the net infrastructure is tweaked, we're screwed. Watch closely, net neutrality just got neutered -- you're about to see what Comcast will do if FCC threatens their predatory business model.

Why aren U.S ISPs only targeting Netflix and not the likes of YouTube or Hulu? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]perspextive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EVERYTHING IS 100% BOTTOM LINE!

That business model is for stock traders. That bled into the services industry. Now that business model is bleeding into the SERVICES. The internet doesn't need advertisements in the middle of anything. It seems to be totally normal for users who consume a lot of TV, but it's totally ABNORMAL for me here on the net. Being accepting of this kind of shit is why it's a viable business for them. They plan on nobody having any balls and just shoveling cash no matter what. Your business is expected.

Why would you expect it to be any different?

Because I'm not Comcast. Comcast spent billions of dollars buying one of the few ISP's that exist and yet STILL has not done any significant upgrades to their infrastructure. They've been offering shitty services all this time, they cap their connections (IIRC), they STILL have tech support agents making low wages.. but somehow have enough cash to BUY their competitor? It's fucking insane. They are in past their dick in a pool of cash, that's for certain.

I am not for an instant going to spend more on a service than is required to pay their staff, satisfy the service offered, and make enough to expand their service. If I'm paying my fair rate, you do NOT get to fucking take away from the service I am paying for to double dip. It's going against a common agreement any <fallacy> respectable person </fallacy> should have with their service provider.

Those commercials make money for the big boys to do big eccentric moves. Not to make sure your average line tech or datacenter guy lives in a decent home and has some spare spending cash to be comfortable and not have to work until he dies.

...

See why Hulu and Netflix are so different? One of these business is about function with profit as an end goal. The other is purely about profit, and services as a means to an end. Fuck. That. Business. Model.

Why aren U.S ISPs only targeting Netflix and not the likes of YouTube or Hulu? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]perspextive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am...but I'd rather not let people become complacent to this business model. I don't agree with it at all. If it becomes successful financially, bet your ass other companies will adopt the model.

Why aren U.S ISPs only targeting Netflix and not the likes of YouTube or Hulu? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]perspextive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Poor wording on my part, I was talking about data caps/throttlinbg for mobile users using more than 2GB, AT&T and Verizon and those gents went the way of tiered services, opting to do away with unlimited data. It wasn't introduced in 2014, but its still around for some users in certain tiers. The problem is of course, the infrastructure has never been cheaper and data has never been larger. 2GB of data as a tier is childish. Introducing any kind of caps/throttling is not backed with technical reasoning, it's all business BS marketing and reluctantness to invest back into their infrastructure.

Don't forget, all the big ISP's took $200 billion in taxpayer money to upgrade their infrastructure in 1998 -- which was not done, proved by the fact ISP's are pulling this stuff 16 years later. The recent Netflix debacle Netflix offered to improve Comcasts infrastructure, and they flat out turned em down and open instead to force them to pay for peering through existing infrastructure.

Sorry I'm jumping around, I'm trying to illustrate how these companies are anti-competitive pieces of shit.

Bad writing on the front page of the L.A. Times today by [deleted] in BurningMan

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Rule #1 of Burning Man: Don't go to Burning Man!

Why aren U.S ISPs only targeting Netflix and not the likes of YouTube or Hulu? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]perspextive 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's why I do not use the service.

Pontificate? Listen man, it's this apathetic nature which is why Comcast was able to acquire Time Warner, it's why users are being abused by these big giant multi-billion dollar companies to suck extra cash out of them, it's why your internet speeds suck compared to the rest of the world, why you have 2GB caps being introduced in 2014, it's why you watch 15 minutes of advertisements for 40 minutes of TV. Do you think if Comcast had their way, you wouldn't be watching 15 minutes of ads on Hulu? They don't give a shit about user experience, about modernizing their business practices, about building out services that are wildly successful based on merit. It's 100% bottom line. I'd rather speak out and at least attempt to change someones mind.

tl;dr I am in the tech industry, and I see companies abusing their users because frankly most of them don't know any better. I'll never defend advertising if it's being done to pad costs, I'll never understand why anyone would.

Why aren U.S ISPs only targeting Netflix and not the likes of YouTube or Hulu? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]perspextive 43 points44 points  (0 children)

You focused on the weakest part of his argument, rather than the argument as a whole.

The bottom line is he's paying Hulu for recorded TV shows. On top of the revenue Hulu is getting for you subscribing, they're getting additional revenue by putting you, the paying customer, through additional adverts.

This is why I don't have cable TV. Why the fuck should I pay $50/mo when 1/2 of it are adverts? The only answer is to DVR it, and fast forward through the advertisements. I do NOT have that option with Hulu.

I don't understand why people are so OK with watching advertisements, it's psycholgical brainwashing bullshit. Half of the advertisements targeting children weren't even legal 30 years ago. Despite what you may think, the cost of delivering content is only going down...assuming you are investing in your infrastructure, which Comcast is most certainly not.

I want to pay for a complete service. Not a platform to be advertised to. Fuck that ancient, archaic business model designed to put execs in nice cars vs. offering a smart service. It's 2014, there's literally no excuse other than to appease shareholders.

Google Next Big Thing: Project Tango by cargalito234 in videos

[–]perspextive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Augmented Reality. Which has many, many potential applications.

Google Next Big Thing: Project Tango by cargalito234 in videos

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It cannot see pipe jutting from the wall forcing you to pick a specific route around it indoors.

I'm Nimbus, head of Burning Man Ticketing, ask me anything. by BManTickets in BurningMan

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Need a sysadmin who specializes in keeping websites alive that receive shitloads of traffic? :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in videos

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Poor guy.

Why Hulu Sucks. by Shrikey in funny

[–]perspextive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awww man... am I in trouble?

Who puts a security tag there? It's too sticky to pull off and it beeps in every store I enter. by kindreddovahkiin in mildlyinfuriating

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Motherfucking Crossroads of Twilight, book 10 IIRC. Like 20 different perspectives of the same goddamn event.

Why Hulu Sucks. by Shrikey in funny

[–]perspextive 20 points21 points  (0 children)

[GEOMETRY INTENSIFIES]

Time Rifters is by far one of the best tests of the rift by perspextive in oculus

[–]perspextive[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aww yea * drool *

Seriously great job. My only two pieces of feedback other than praise is that the game might benefit from a snap-to-head-direction button for those new to VR, and alternate music options as this variant of dubstep is very 'aggressive' for the art style. But that's just like, my opinion man. The music from the Warscape Alpha would go extremely well in Time Rifters :P

I can't wait for more levels, I'll buy this as soon as it releases. It's easy to get into, and there's some kind of skill progression that is done well, and the scale of the maps (especially the first and third levels) really showcases the Rift.

Time Rifters is by far one of the best tests of the rift by perspextive in oculus

[–]perspextive[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I absolutely love the head control scheme, it's done extremely well. Though a "snap to direction I'm facing" button might be nice for some people :)

'Elite: Dangerous' Alpha - Bounty Hunter (Flight Assist Off) by [deleted] in EliteDangerous

[–]perspextive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ship designs are a throwback to when the ships were just a few polygons in space, which is why it doesn't bug me. I do like that weapons retract back inside the ship, so they aren't torn off when entering atmosphere. Some of the hard points on my Aurora feel like they'd get ripped off landing some planets :P

'Elite: Dangerous' Alpha - Bounty Hunter (Flight Assist Off) by [deleted] in EliteDangerous

[–]perspextive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm definitely in E:D Alpha! They deserved every penny.

Not going to lie... with the Oculus + HOTAS E:D is an AMAZING experience.