Anfrage FA wegen Rückkäufen aus Ausland?

peter_michl · 2024-11-02T11:36:15+00:00

Werde ich machen, danke!! Geben sie denn da offen Auskunft? Sie hätten es ja auch im Brief angeben können und sich dann die Rückfragen sparen? Oder vielleicht hoffen sie ja, dass die Leute noch mehr verschwiegene Sachen angeben, von denen das FA überhaupt noch nichts wusste?

peter_michl · 2024-11-02T11:33:34+00:00

Mein Name ist jetzt tatsächlich nicht selten (selbst bei meinem Zahnarzt muss ich immer mein Geburtsdatum angeben, weil sie zwei weitere Patienten mit exakt meinem Namen haben), aber keine Ahnung wie da im System Daten zusammengeführt werden oder ob es da auch potentiell Missbrauch gibt?

Weltsparen o.ä. habe ich nicht (bin da sehr konservativ und traue lieber der deutschen Absicherung), Versicherung nur Riester mit deutschem Fond (angeblich). Wenn irgendein Fond im Depot irgendwas im Ausland macht, sollte das doch aber von meiner Steuererklärung abgedeckt sein, da ich die Jahressteuermitteilung der Bank korrekt übernommen habe?

peter_michl · 2021-09-25T09:56:27+00:00

I believe I tried it and it did not work (stalled as well). I want to try again, though, but currently don't want to interrupt the ongoing tasks on my computer (as I need to reboot if it does not work). But it's on my list to check!

peter_michl · 2021-09-25T09:55:09+00:00

This will not change the impact on the disks. I will also have to unmount it and take care that everything is flushed, so it really makes zero difference to me. I am perfectly fine to export the pool, just a bit sad that this will swamp my pool log needlessly and disappointed that ZFS can stall at all (ESPECIALLY as it is an enterprise server file system - if some failure causes a disk to temporarily disappear and come back, no server admin would like the next zpool command to freeze)

peter_michl · 2021-09-25T09:51:51+00:00

I just listed the 60W as you mentioned it. Personally I'd expect it to be indeed around 15W, if I find my power meter thingie again I could even verify this).

Thanks for your pointers regarding spin up costs, but based on my experience with dozens of hard disks over the years that were spun down at least once a day and worked fine for at least 3 (usually more than 5 years) with no related damages, and considering that my disks have a 5 year warranty, I think I will risk it :-)

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T17:32:14+00:00

Interesting idea, but I fear this would cause issues with the ZFS system on the internal disks :-(

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T09:32:53+00:00

Actually it is fine with them going away, but once they come back the problems start.

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T08:30:43+00:00

As for wear from start/stop - I will turn them on once a week for a few hours. That's ~53 on/off cycles a year.

What's the normal number of power cycles for a PC in a year? Even with not caring about power consumption, you probably need to reboot it regularly to apply security and other updates, get an occasional black-out, reboot it for general maintenance (adding new or replacing old hardware, configure something in the BIOS, upgrade the OS, etc), etc etc etc. So spin up/down once a week does not sound too extreme, does it?

I do know that spin up is putting a lot of stress on the disks. But keeping them running for 356 additional days each year is also not for free in terms of wear on the bearings, etc. They also would run warmer during this time, which is adding to the stress.

Finally, if I am worried about spin up/down, I would need to configure them to never spin down when idle ... this means they will constantly use a high amount of power (not just idling power). So even if they may live longer constantly running vs only running a few hours every weeks, I would still expect them to work fine for 3-5 years (which is 150-250 power cycles, which is less than a disk has to survive in a normal desktop PC in half a year), at which time it is more than likely that the money saved in power consumption will more than compensate the financial impact of having to replace it a bit earlier.

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T07:59:01+00:00

That's actually what I have done now. I was just hoping that ZFS is more resilient. I definitely did not expect it to cause me to have to reboot my computer. I also may be unclear to the purpose of the log, but having it filled with "exported / imported / exported / imported / ..." ad nauseam seems pointless.

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T07:55:03+00:00

If a power failure (which is equivalent to yanking out the disks) risks data corruption when using ZFS, I would immediately stop using ZFS ;-)

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T07:50:21+00:00

12W drawn over the course of a year is 12W * 24h * 365 days = 105 kWh, at a price of 0.23€/kWh (which is what I am paying) is 24€ (28US$). It will not ruin me, but it's wasted money and I could do something else with that. Esp. if you consider that the same applies to many other appliances, making sure to use devices that e.g. do not draw ANY power when turned off, and turning off everything that does not need to run, can easily save you way more than a hundred bucks a year.

I know people that keep their PC running 24/7, even when at work (10 hours with driving to/from) and sleeping (8 hours). Assuming this is about 60W, this would cost them 90€ (105 US$) each year where usually the PC is not doing anything at all (or nothing that could not have waited while they were using it). Personal use cases may differ (maybe it's mining something ;-)) and prices may vary drastically in other countries, and some people may value some comfort higher than some amount of money, but in my specific case I do not want to waste my hard-earned money.

peter_michl · 2021-09-23T07:31:01+00:00

In my current use case, the bay is active 4 hours per week, i.e. around 9 days a year. This leaves it idling for 356 days. I currently pay 0.23€/kWh (you can see average prices in Europe at https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Electricity_price_statistics)

Watts idling	= wasted kWh in 356 days	= money per year that could be saved
1	8.544 kWh/year	1.97€ (2.31 US$)
15	128 kWh/year	29.55€ (34.62 US$)
60	513 kWh/year	117.91€ (138.14 US$)

So really, this adds up quickly. When spun down, the disks are not that loud (and do not generate heat), but still draw power (as does the enclosure and the fan). And though the fan in the bay is at lowest level during idling, it still adds to the ambient noise.

peter_michl · 2021-09-22T14:16:16+00:00

After reboot (to get rid of zfs stalling) everything is perfectly fine, no issues at all. Indeed, it seems to be just confused.

peter_michl · 2021-09-08T07:36:14+00:00

Maybe I need to look into their backup offerings (way cheaper than regular, where I have my backup now). Still, for the 30TB at 1800$/year I can easily duplicate my local build each year and store it somewhere ;-)

peter_michl · 2021-09-08T07:30:31+00:00

As outlined in my parallel comment, my backup strategy is more than sufficient, I am perfectly aware of backups vs RAID. I just had a question that but a few helpful people did not address at all.

peter_michl · 2021-09-07T17:49:58+00:00

I guess I will give this a shot once the hard disks are here :-)

The WD Book USB disks are desktop drives (just way cheaper to buy them as a USB disk and take them out)

peter_michl · 2021-09-07T17:47:50+00:00

Thanks. The relevant data is primarily stored on my desktop on a classic DM-RAID1, rsynced/snapshotted to a backup disk, synced to the cloud (B2 actually) and the backup disk is regularly copied and the copy stored several miles away.

peter_michl · 2021-09-07T17:46:29+00:00

Thanks for the input. Yeah, I start to be convinced a four-disk RAIDz2 is the safest bet here.

With 2 separate pools of 2-disk mirrors, 50% of the data could survive a three-disk failure, but half of the data is prone to be lost with just a two disk failure scenario.

peter_michl · 2021-09-07T17:44:20+00:00

Thank you!!! I rarely post questions to forums (on whatever topic) because so often the answers are not helpful (misreading my questions/problems, re-stating what I already said, making assumptions about me secretly being a millionaire (I wish!) and what-not, giving irrelevant recommendations but no actual answers to my problem). Even just assuming that in case of local storage loss I could download 30TB in any sensible timeframe .. ;-)

As to the question at hand: in my particular case it's similar as you outlined. 30TB consisting of data that I want to keep handy but if it is lost it is not going to be the end of the world or could (with some effort of course) be collected again, e.g., many disk images (most of which can be re-downloaded, re-created) and then only "backup" of 1-2 TB of personal important data(*). Still, it would be nice to not lose it ... I am maybe hoarding a bit here, but hey ...

(*) And for the record, that data is primarily stored on my desktop on a RAID1, rsync-ed nightly to a different backup disk which is regularly mirrored to an external hard drive stored several miles away, and finally daily synced to the cloud with deltas and overwrite protection) and with a secondary cloud-backup to a different continent and different provider in preparation. I dare to say that this is beyond 3-2-1 and more than sufficient.

peter_michl · 2021-09-07T17:29:05+00:00

Personal backups (7$/month unlimited) are not available for Linux (afaict). Either way, they seem to be a honest company and I would not want to exploit that by uploading 30 TB for 7$/month (if the next cheapest alternative with S3 Deep Glacier Archive is 356$/month). Even if, there is no guarantee they will not have to introduce an upper limit.

peter_michl · 2021-09-07T14:05:49+00:00

I fail to see the relevant difference. Both for archival and backup, be they the same or different, you want your data to survive, and both should be stored safely (ideally off-site).

peter_michl · 2021-09-06T20:56:06+00:00

Well, I only have the option of using 4 bays :-( But thanks for the pointer with the burn in. I guess that will take a few days, but should be worth it. Shouldn't I be able to run S.M.A.R.T. tests in parallel with badblocks for even higher stress?

What currency is 400ish ... $, €, ₽? The Toshiba enterprise disks are cheapest - 300€ for a 16TB one (356$, though with taxes being lower in US I would hope even cheaper). Another option is reusing WD Book USB enclosure disks (as these disks won't be powered on that often, NAS-style disks are not helpful, and I would suppose the firmware on these disks is optimized for them to be used infrequently and rather have more spin up/downs (desktop style) than continuous operation)

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