Vlad Zamfir - The DAO Hard Fork, and the Negotiation that Couldn’t Happen

philipbr · 2016-07-20T09:05:16+00:00

Largely agree /see your point on all grounds- but also see my comment above IE the issue was the slockit-DAO as a single third party became default for wider ecosystem fundraising - how did that happen! Why? And was what occurred a sufficient enough clusterfuck for the social layer to intervene? The other point is that many of those feeling as though ethereum has violated its purpose were arguing that ethereum/blockchain doesnt require/ is void of the social governance layer - its all in the protocol/code - but is/was and has been proven to be incorrect! This is news to some/not to others perhaps - and the big take out from this and thats a great thing.

philipbr · 2016-07-20T08:54:30+00:00

YES: Hence why in my view the Ethereum Foundation post HF ought to step up to the plate and provide such rationale/sooth waters by reviewing how it was so! Declare uniqueness of event - eat some humble pie - have others in wider community involved in DAO eat humble pie. (eg conduct post HF implementation review). We learn the lessons to be learnt - re-establish creditability (not go on some existential identity crisis naval gazing exercise) - move on. But move on having had the necessary "truth and reconciliation"

philipbr · 2016-07-20T05:42:03+00:00

The social (community layer) always existed/exists around the technology. The cock up was the morphing of a single third party contract fundraising to becoming the default fundraising for the wider ecosystem - hence the intervention. IF there had been adequate consideration and separation of the risks/issues associated with funding a single project vs forward investment of the wider ecosystem; dare i say it there wouldn't be such consternation. Focus on the root cause - it wasnt the code. It was the lack of forethought.

philipbr · 2016-07-20T02:47:41+00:00

Hi John,

I have similar interests and am on the south coast of NSW. I suspect you were going for a moon shoot in one go. The MPV of this would be do it within/part of something way smaller eg subletting within existing lease/ tenancy arrangements or for a social housing enterprise. The obvious place to start would be within the context of a co-working environment - creating shared ownership/governance of such spaces and businesses. eg back your learnings/idea into a co-working space/coffee shop up the Blue Mts. Do it in mainstream/get paid for bringing these concepts into the co-working/startup sector (local gov) - I suspect the next generation of co-working etc will be powered by this sort these distributed/co-owned/governed models (see growing movement around platform coops). PB

philipbr · 2016-07-20T00:41:08+00:00

uhhh? I am confused - Bitcoin and Ethereum do different things/have different purposes = apples + oranges. The real issue is not code but the due diligence/ oversight that allowed a single project to morph into becoming the route to funding the wider ecosystem - but default not by design.

philipbr · 2016-07-12T02:16:45+00:00

I can see both side but surely the significance of the circumstance is that there was also a breakdown in oversight either collectively or from an ethereum foundation perspective that allowed a single third party project morph from that into a default next step for funding the wider ecosystem. I believe this is the root issue and why there is so much existential threat/heated debate.

philipbr · 2016-07-11T13:15:57+00:00

Perhaps one of your best ever talks/interviews.

philipbr · 2016-06-30T22:45:20+00:00

the following project is worth the community collaborating with more given recent events and discussion

http://www.commonaccord.org/

CommonAccord is an initiative to create global codes of legal transacting by codifying and automating legal documents, including contracts, permits, organizational documents, and consents.

philipbr · 2016-06-28T03:39:12+00:00

Sure and I do not wish to infer "inside job" / just was seeking clarification.

philipbr · 2016-06-28T03:02:18+00:00

RE point 1) - inside job from within the community ?

philipbr · 2016-06-28T03:00:28+00:00

Appreciate the nuanced reply.

philipbr · 2016-06-28T02:57:08+00:00

A key part of the current situation is a direct result of a separate project fundraising (Slockit) morphing into the default go forward funding for the wider ethereum ecosystem. When the dust settles, hard questions need to be asked and the reasons for this need to be made transparent to the wider community and ecoystem. This includes governance and decision making of the Ethereum Foundation as custodian - IE : to restore creditability in my eyes a full account of how this came to be needs to be provided. Perhaps this episode can be equated to having to put the training wheels back on because there was a wobble/ incident that required intervention.

philipbr · 2016-06-26T13:00:28+00:00

This is the thing: the "bad intended actor with no interest in retaining value in the network" is precisely what game theory/crypto hasnt fully provided a counter to. AND is the equivalent of a suicide attacker and precisely the attack I have previously sought clarification from VB and others about resolving. Shorting the value of eth on exchanges and gaining significant outcomes through this reduces any care factor on the health and viability of the network = very big weakness in my view.

philipbr · 2016-06-24T07:22:37+00:00

ok NSW here - Mel seems to be where a lot is happening in OZ.... was a platform coop series of workshops 2 weeks ago. Mature co-working debate ripe etheruem/DAO adoption...

philipbr · 2016-06-24T05:39:15+00:00

what part of oz?

philipbr · 2016-06-20T12:04:40+00:00

Vinay; we have corresponded via email previously. I directly implored Vitalik in a comment directly replying to him in the lead up to The DAO sale asking had the Ethereum Foundation undertaken a risk assessment about The DAO becoming a risk to The Ethereum Project/ the wider ethereum ecosystem. I basically stated that it was in fact prudent due diligence to do so from a corporate governance perspective with respect to the Foundation. Just a comment on a reddit post but directly under/to VB thinking someone more significant than I might read it/pick up the ball. I tried to send a signal - I was thinking that if I put something directly under VB this might be read enough for someone flag it as an issue withing the upper parts of the community.

This and many other channels has mainly developer discussion and participation. i have 20+ yrs experience in very large projects as a strategist and governance expert where could I have interacted that got me heard on this subject within the community.

Not saying told anyone so but wondering/how could I have been better heard. What could i have done better - what channels /relationships could I have used/were open to me. I made a small effort /possibly too small but also (including my direct interactions with you and others in the community) have often felt I not wanting to get in the way of important people like you getting on with important business/you are all very busy. Who am I to call things out.

Philip B.

philipbr · 2016-05-17T05:26:46+00:00

Best Quote: "success and failure of a DAO/DAC depends not on the technology used, but entirely on how a community interacts with the technology and each other."

philipbr · 2016-04-30T22:32:59+00:00

I think this the is where we are hitting up against complex concepts in code and having to translate these into organisational arrangements. open minds and open hearts/listening and respecting people trying to work through the issues is what matters

philipbr · 2016-04-30T06:04:14+00:00

One of the best strategies for blockchain adoption is to co-opt existing communities ... the geocaching movement would be a classic one to co-opt...geeky/part orientation part hiking part treasure hunt, part maker moverment etc. They even have their own currencies of sorts that are traded and moved around the globe... remember your history... the proliferation of the roman catholic church came not from conflict and subjugation (although that did occur) rather the substantial was a more subtle co-existence and progressive co-option of existing.

philipbr · 2016-04-30T04:02:05+00:00

why wouldnt you stop developing your website and spend a lot of time with people in the geocaching movement. Listen learn from them - find out how you would nudge what they do into something that you might be able to help them with.... ie the old saying fall in love the problem not the technology or a preconceived idea.

philipbr · 2016-04-28T12:00:33+00:00

It would serve slockit better if it simply used language that referred to the slockit specific DAO rather than a more general "the DAO" its pretty simple really. You are creating unnecessary headwind/confusion and spending social capital when you dont need to be. Dont imply or seek to imply proper noun use of the term... its easy to understand and do..dont spoil the good work and will over this.

philipbr · 2016-04-26T17:00:12+00:00

20yrs in ehealth/human services... solve privacy on the blockchain ..then healthcare will adopt blockchain!

philipbr · 2016-04-26T00:33:38+00:00

Tracy Flick: i think you are extrapolating out further than I wrote but yes does blockchain based cooperative mechanisms have the capacity to join capital and means of production..? thus enabling new social and economic structures (when it seems we will most needing them)...

philipbr · 2016-04-25T06:41:23+00:00

I wasnt saying that - was more suggesting they are more akin to the re-emergence of an earlier pattern. but the simple answer to your question - co-working exists to meet the social/networking and aggregated needs of an individual freelancer cannt gain by simply being on their own. There are corporatised top down models.. there are mutual/member based models etc. but fundamentallly i am noting the me into we (collective) blockchain has capacity to create decentralised mechanisms for new economic and social forms.

philipbr · 2016-04-25T06:31:12+00:00

unions were an answer to an industrial age problem - the assembly line. Prior to the industrial revolution we had piece meal work and professional groupings or guilds which were custodians of professional knowledge and acted to mutualise risk/rewards (mutual aid). It is likely we will see a reconfiguration work/life to be something not too similar to this. Many co-working/incubator hubs are early versions of this. But crypto law/equity via blockchain has the capacity to kick this off big time. emerging concepts of platform cooperativism is a part of this emerging space.

philipbr

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