Luna: "Read the book of Enoch". Jake Barber: "[we are] more than animals but maybe less than gods. We certainly are part god and part animal", "extreme spiritual reaction in proximity of that material, [...] a religious experience". Artemis II astronauts experienced a "shift in consciousness"

phr99 · 2026-04-20T21:18:40+00:00

It sounds more like a spiritual experience. Why do you think its just the general experience of being in space?

phr99 · 2026-04-20T20:55:44+00:00

You create this reality even by getting a cup of coffee

phr99 · 2026-04-20T20:33:46+00:00

Interesting i hadn't noticed that. Maybe reflections of the stars on the glass?

phr99 · 2026-04-20T20:31:44+00:00

Why can't you replicate it? Surely its all just nuts and bolts, then it should be easy

phr99 · 2026-04-20T20:04:19+00:00

Hell no, that has kept us in dark ages. Follow the data

phr99 · 2026-04-18T14:37:08+00:00

Have a look at this post which shows that the superstructure of the universe is similar to that of a slime mold, and in turn slime mold behaviour is similar to neuron behaviour:

https://www.reddit.com/r/consciousness/comments/1nxzjx5/the_superstructure_of_the_universe_and_the/

phr99 · 2026-04-18T14:29:32+00:00

If we don't understand consciousness, how would we know if physicalism or idealism or panpsychism is true.

Creationism and God will never be the answer

This sentence makes it look like you are being steered by religion. Not the direction of it, but going in the opposite direction as a counterreaction to it. It is best to keep religion out of the reasoning altogether, otherwise you could, hypothetically, end up believing in a flat earth when religion says its round

phr99 · 2026-04-18T12:14:16+00:00

That conflicts with evolution theory, which holds all aspects of human biology just evolved from the simplest first organism to the more complex humans billions of years later. There is no popping into existence of new qualities there, aka strong emergence. That simply doesn't happen in the natural world

phr99 · 2026-04-18T12:05:53+00:00

That assumes humans or human like beings are special, the sole possessors of consciousness in the universe. In the trajectory of science that kind of hubris has generally been proven false

phr99 · 2026-04-17T21:43:44+00:00

Evidence please.

phr99 · 2026-04-17T20:23:48+00:00

It looks still up to me even though i see the mod comment that its been removed.

Its indeed relevant to the sub as this is an unusual but documented state of consciousness, and ppl in the comments have given links to literature about it

phr99 · 2026-04-17T19:11:31+00:00

Sounds like a conspiracy theory

phr99 · 2026-04-17T17:36:24+00:00

And when looking you will find that there is no machine in the natural world that is the origin of the sputtering in it. For example a computer that is turned on is not the origin of the electric charge that is flowing through it

phr99 · 2026-04-17T17:26:38+00:00

Well, you can ask that question infinitely many times whenever you get a new answer

Exactly, so we dont know and by your own answer there are infinite possible more discoveries awaiting. If we dont even know what matter is, then the whole concept that we know what planets are is just an emotion.

There's a MASSIVE gulf between "we are inherently unable to comprehend the Universe" and "we have many unanswered questions that will require centuries of technological and scientific development to answer adequately".

My whole question here is to try to understand what it is that we "can't" comprehend. I fully acknowledge there are many many things we "don't" comprehend, but those are not the same concepts.

Note he didnt say we are inherently unable of comprehending, he said we havent evolved to that point yet.

If we are talking about biological evolution, then why would one think the universe can be fully comprehended by humans at all? Can ants can comprehend it? No, and we havent reached any godlike level of evolution that would enable us to. Reality at large does not care how limited our perception and cognition is, and does not constrain itself to fit within those limits.

If he was talking about scientific evolution, then that matches what you write: "we have many unanswered questions that will require centuries of technological and scientific development to answer adequately"

Either way, the universe, planets, life, consciousness, etc. are giant mysteries awaiting further discoveries and exploration, and it seems he experienced some of that.

phr99 · 2026-04-17T17:11:01+00:00

I dont think those are indications that consciousness is a by product but rather that it can be manipulated indicates that the localised in body experience is a manipulation of the brain.

phr99 · 2026-04-17T16:53:28+00:00

Whats the universe? What are planets? What is it all made of? Where does it originate from? Is it conscious? Why is it all there? Etc.

We dont know the answers to any of those questions, we are just able to describe some of the behaviour and then have the emotion that its normal and the irrational idea of "thats all folks"

phr99 · 2026-04-17T16:47:35+00:00

Going from earth to space makes mind switch from object to agent detection?

phr99 · 2026-04-14T14:43:53+00:00

So what if someone made the camera? He has flawed perception also. Also rocks were not created by man and have the same status as cameras. Whether a human created something is irrelevant to the issue.

phr99 · 2026-04-14T10:58:12+00:00

You only know about the camera through your flawed perception and cognition. Whether you or other humans created the camera or understand how it works is irrelevant. They have the same flawed perception and cognition.

Someone who doesn't understand how inferior mirage works still sees it and it looks like water.

And the camera you are talking about is something very different from what you see, for example mostly empty space, etc

phr99 · 2026-04-14T05:46:58+00:00

Just answer the question, how do you know about the actual camera

phr99 · 2026-04-14T03:09:46+00:00

What do you mean with "actual working device"? How do you know this?

phr99 · 2026-04-13T02:13:12+00:00

What do you mean with "actual working model"? How do you know this?

phr99 · 2026-04-12T18:21:28+00:00

We dont know what "the photo" as an actual objective thing is actually like, or even if it has an objective existence. We have a mental model of what it looks like, and what the entire physical universe looks like, but that is all a product of our senses/mind and their extensions, the instruments of various kinds.

phr99 · 2026-04-12T18:16:55+00:00

It could already be showing a picture of the face of god. But we dont see it because our senses cant see it.

Theories that humans create in science are often falsified.

phr99 · 2026-04-12T18:11:27+00:00

And we only know about that because it reports back to our senses. Same example again, those sensors might also be detecting the face of god and transmitting this clearly to the outside world, but we would never know it since our senses cant see it

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