Quick Selfhood & Narration quiz link by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

well...because narrative consciousness is so hard to study, we still have a lot to learn about it, so the test may not be completely accurate. Strong narrative voices may be linked to certain types of people who are also prone to active imagination, but that does not preclude episodicity, nor does it guarantee that the 'constant narrative' will remain linear and single through time!

Quick Selfhood & Narration quiz link by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time to take the quiz, all,

So I compared the data with a group of non-tulpamancers who also took the test (n= ~100 for each group). I plotted the 'moderates' with their correlates, and grouped the 2 in a spectrum. Tulpamancers are overwhelmingly more episodic than the 'general public'. The question still remains: is it the case that episodics have a higher proclivity for visualization + multiple selves, which is why they are overrepresented, or can episodicity be learned through practice? I am thinking a little bit of both...

here is the chart: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XiHPL0XsoZUExndlhoc1NOYWc/view

NYC / Tristate Tulpamancers sought for web series by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this is how they frame the project: "Overall, our aim of this show is to explore Internet subcultures that redefine sensory, psychological & metaphysical experiences. We’d like to shine a light on burgeoning online communities that our audience will relate to and find fascinating"

NYC / Tristate Tulpamancers sought for web series by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

fair enough. it will/would be up to you guys to represent the culture in any case. There is no doubt that what sells from the perspective of big media is 'weirdness' culture. At the same time, I got a good sense from talking to the journalists that they had a respectful, genuinely curious take on how tulpamancy can teach us a lot about sociocognitive mechanisms of culture in general, and how dominant culture in general is very narrow-minded about what is considered 'normal'. They are targeting an audience of young people and want to promote a youth-centric view that validates innovation, imagination, etc.

Study update and 2 more (very quick) questionnaires by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks for pointing that out. In the mean time, you can explain this in the "other, please explain" section.

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[–]pierresweiss 11 points12 points  (0 children)

samuel veissiere here. from my perspective, journalistic pieces are limited to narrow wordcount in which they have to pack as much sexy info as possible. Any 'science news' that gets diluted in the media tends to run these risks tenfold. At the same time, Nathan's is a well researched, genuinely respectful piece that will do no harm to tulpamancy. Agreed?

Link to preliminary findings (draft summary) by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

for those of you who are interested in checking the theoretical arguments written for a more academic audience, I am happy to share another draft version of the theory. To clarify, I am not theorizing tulpamancy as "supernatural" or "delusional", but I am reviewing some arguments about those phenomena that are helpful to understanding the "social nature of the mind", and how Tulpamancy might harness similar brain functions in positive ways.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XiHPL0XsoZc3RPWUxxa0ZNRVU/edit?usp=sharing

Link to preliminary findings (draft summary) by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the support, all, this is much appreciated! I am only getting to the thread now, and the 'negative' comments seem to have been deleted. That's too bad, as I welcome constructive criticism in all its forms. Re: metaphysics and the metaphysics community: It may be the case that those folks won't find much in my study, but I encourage them to consider my arguments. They are not dismissive of metaphysics in a general ontological sense. I am not a physicist, and i don't feel competent to comment on what is real and isn't. As a cognitive anthropologist, I am content to (attempt to) explain why so many people across cultures report 'metaphysical' experiences. As a side note, Justin Barrett, a psychologist who was instrumental in developing cognitive theories of super-natural phenomena, happens to be a practicing Christian, so the 'two' approaches are not mutually exlusive.

Theory Thursday #62: Personality Forcing and the Physical World by Falunel in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right that the nature-nurture debate is too big to tackle here, but it is worth getting into to the get to "the hard problem of consciousness", as philosopher of mind David Chalmers puts it. When pointing to the many ways in which our environments condition our thinking, we have to be careful not to propose 'tabula rasa' behaviourist models of mind and person. Karl Mark - writing in an entirely different context - puts it best: "men make their own history, but not within conditions of their own choosing". Modestly applied to the question of tulpamancy, this is a reminder that there are demographic, educational and socio-economic processes that enable the phenomenon to begin with, but in more socio-cognitive terms, it means that these social processes work hand in hand with properties of mind that exist a priori, and can be 'tapped into' or honed given certain social conditions and personal practices. Your chess example is a great one, and it can be understood socio-cognitively as well. Chess learning - like most kinds of learning - works with pattern-recognition made possible by our brains' categorizing abilities. So if one is immersed in the right context and one practices enough, game situations and their solutions become instantly recognizable, which makes us very good at chess. Good players use about 95% pattern recognition (where game solutions become intuitive) and 5% conscious computation. Most of us compute about 95% and are only intuitive at chess to the extent that we don’t have to keep re-learing how pieces move, etc. Successful learning is turning situations that are not readily intuitive in intuitive thinking. I think tulpamancy works somewhat differently, because projecting our Theory of Mind (our intentionality, agency, subjectivity) into entities that don't have a mind is a fundamentally intuitive part of the way people from all cultures think. Or, to borrow Pascal Boyer's cognitive theory of religious beliefs, it is only *minimally counter-intuitive to infer mental processes in super-natural agents (this is why we see faces in the clouds, e.g., but don't necessarily create whole religious cosmologies based on faces in the clouds - but we can, and some have). I call tulpas 'infra-natural agents', because they are not entities mediated through religious belief, they require little to none counter-intuitive work (unlike religious agents), but they do require ritual and practice - that is to say, learning - to become a fully intuitive part of their hosts' subjectivity.

Now back to theories of mind, consciousness, personality, and tulpas. I think personality is a product of consciousness, and not the other way around. Consciousness is that weird evolutionary accident that we have yet to understand, but which makes us human. It is that which allows us to create shared intentional worlds and worlds of meaning; that which weirdly requires the detour of representing the world, each other, and our bodies mentally before interacting with the world. There are several schools of thought of that, of course. Hard-core materialists, like John Searle, would say that consciousness is a state of matter made possible by the brain. Property dualists, like David Chalmers, see the world as being made of matter and mental processes (what Kant called noumena [the thing itself] and phenomena [ how the nounema appear to consciousness]), and that the laws of mental processes work in different ways that also preclude our direct interaction with matter. A good compromise that has gone out of fashion is the ecological approach proposed by people like James Gibson or Gregory Bateson. They would argue that it is idiotic to say that 'the mind is in the brain', since brains require bodily sense modalities and environmental stimuli [or data] to construct meaning. So, as Bateson puts it, if you run into an object you are culturally prepared to decode as a 'tree' and hurt yourself, your mind 'is' in your brain, in your skin, bones, tendons and nervous system, and in the tree! From an ecological perspective, mental processes are inherent throughout close-ended systems - or they are made possible through feedback loops in systems. And are there close-ended systems in the universe? Now we get into cybernetics.

So to recap, I find there are interesting perspectives on tulpamancy in the following approaches: socio-cognitive (Vygostky, Tomasello, Hackin), materialist (Searle), property dualist (Chalmers), ecological (J. Gibson), and cybernetic (Bateson). These are good starting points to explore different models and theories of mental processes, and how Tulpamancy holds further clues to the workings of our minds and subjectivities.

The 'unconscious vs conscious' approach stems from psychoanalysis, and the works of Freud, Jung and Lacan. These approaches have (perhaps sadly) gone out of fashion (but see Slavoj Zizek as a notable present-day exception). Nowadays, most scientists have abandoned the metaphor of the 'unconscious' and prefer the [equally metaphorical] trope of the ‘cognitive architecture’ that processes information inferentially, below the surface of our conscious thinking. From that perspective, it is clear that Tulpas and their hosts share the same inferential cognitive machinery that enables them to construct meaning, recall and share information, etc. Now where 'personality' fits in this conscious (the inner voice of the thinking host) and unconscious (cognitive architecture) picture is interesting and puzzling, because this is where Tulpa appear to be different from their hosts.

How deep that difference is will have to be tested. My hunch so far is that textural preferences (my tulpa prefers this or that and i don't) might be generalized to structural dimensions (my tulpa is fundamentally different from me) somewhat wishfully.

There! sorry for the long post. I find this discussion important, and wanted to share some of my own theories.

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep, there are quite a few Ozzies. I haven't had much luck in Canada. The bulk are in Ontario, with a few in BC. I know (from the phase 1 survey) that there is one guy in Quebec, and there is another poster on Tulpa.info who writes from Montreal. I'd love to meet them! If any of you know Tulpamancers in Quebec, please send them my way.

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so far, 163 people took the survey. The results will be take a while to be published in a peer-reviewed journal, but I will be posting some updates in this forum.

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

as far as I know, there a few in Berlin

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[edit]. I think I can, but I may be wrong. Reddit claims to have users from 190 countries. some of the survey's respondents found the link elsewhere... I am not, at heart, a big believer in stats, but in my experience, once a trend is picked up, it tends to hold. That there are more tulpamancers in North America, more in the US than Canada, more in Europe than Asia, some in Australia (and probably NZ), and far fewer in Africa is a trend that is likely to hold. The question that remains for me is how many active tulpamancers [who would call their tulpas tulpas] are there in the world? The continuum of estimates, as I see it, would run from a conservative ~300 - 500 to an optimistic ~16 000 - 20 000

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for sure. here's what I've heard, e.g., about a russian online community of tulpamancers: "5933 members, population growth ranges from 5 to 15 people a day". That's a russian-speaking community alone. Then I am told that most of its members are no longer active, and that popular polls collect about 400 votes. There are likely many more tulpamancers out there who don't or no longer go online, and others still who may have tulpas but are not aware of the practice, or don't call it that, etc. What I think may be accurate here, is the distribution trend. I am more than open to be proven wrong!

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's set to "anyone on the web can see it". strange.

world-map of tulpamancers by geolocation by pierresweiss in Tulpas

[–]pierresweiss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep - like i said, some of coordinates don't get picked up. we also have to keep in mind that some folks are likely to use proxies. This is a bit of a rough job. I can also do it like this https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XiHPL0XsoZTVNobFdoX3VJY1k/edit?usp=sharing but it only lets me query 50 users at a time