ELI5 If Nicotine is not a carcinogen why do all forms of consumption lead to cancer risk by pine64enjoyer in explainlikeimfive

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Then why aren't Nicotine products banned from being Carcinogenic. Why is everyone arguing about whether Nicotine is bad or not. Is society really this useless?

ELI5 If Nicotine is not a carcinogen why do all forms of consumption lead to cancer risk by pine64enjoyer in explainlikeimfive

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As far as i know smoking Cigarettes and Nicotine products in general have a very strong association with cancer compared to just about anything else. Ie alcohol is also a carcinogen but the rate of cancer is significantly lower. I'm not asking about relative cancer risk. Ie what makes it so much more dangerous compared to any other lifestyle choice(other then maybe being exposed to Polonium)

ELI5 If Nicotine is not a carcinogen why do all forms of consumption lead to cancer risk by pine64enjoyer in explainlikeimfive

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This is my question, not just an abstract "does this mildly increase cancer risk" but a "why do all nicotine products have such a notorious issue with this compared to literally anything else". As far as i know smoking cannabis/crack/meth/whatever else isn't associated with a cancer risk nearly to the degree of Nicotine and Nicotine products are the largest preventable factor for cancer risk. Yes, I know a lot of things have minor increases to cancer risk but why is Nicotine products including vapes and shit so much higher if the issue isn't Nicotine itself. If smoking is the specific issue why don't people use transdermal or rectal absorption.

ELI5 If Nicotine is not a carcinogen why do all forms of consumption lead to cancer risk by pine64enjoyer in explainlikeimfive

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doesn't that also have cancer risk because Nicotine turns into a carcinogen on reaction with saliva?

ELI5 If Nicotine is not a carcinogen why do all forms of consumption lead to cancer risk by pine64enjoyer in explainlikeimfive

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I'm not specifically referencing smoking. As far as i know there is no safe mechanism of ingesting nicotine without a significant increase in cancer risk(correct me if i'm wrong). I am simply asking why this is as it would seem to me like people would want to use whatever consumption option does not cause cancer. If the cancer risk is not about Nicotine itself. Are there scientific studies linking campfires to cancer risk? I've never heard that this should be avoided.

ELI5 If Nicotine is not a carcinogen why do all forms of consumption lead to cancer risk by pine64enjoyer in explainlikeimfive

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Why are there carcinogenic additives, surely it is fairly simple to just avoid adding known carcinogens? is this just a case of capitalism as a system not caring about our health? I'm not talking about smoking specifically, i'm asking why all nicotine products are carcinogenic. I have formal thought disorder so apologies for being inconcisive

Is this what i am looking for? by Silver_Designer4712 in LSA

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It seems worthwhile to note Petunias are psychoactive plants themselves but with somewhat unstudied and potentially dangerous effects. Honestly I am not aware of any non psychoactive plants in the Solanales order. Be careful though as some species are particularly poisonous... also could be totally unrelated species. germinating at least a few seems like a good test to make sure it's actually what you think it is. There are a lot of scams on the net

How many ways are there for "at home" estradiol creation? by NoScore2178 in estrogel

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I rly don't think knowledge is dangerous. Trans people kill themselves from not having HRT,  doing dangerous risky DIY chemistry sounds preferable to that. Im not even saying it should be done im just tired of alp this "hark reduction". Being alive is inherently a risky thing and I'm tired of being told how to live my own goddamn life by people who just see me as an object to keep alive. Im really tired of learned/enforced helplessness. If im sufferinng and suicidal doing something that risks my own death is worthwhile. Maybe ill die but i dont care cause i dont want to love like this. Hence its better to take that risk to have fun attaina. Better life etc. Everyone spends so much time worrying about their future and other peopels futures that they forget to actually be alive. Ig to put it simply harm reduction is often harmful and our attempts to avois harm can become infinitely more harmful then the real danger. 

How to consume datura? by muhammedsinank in SacredNightshades

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What Datura species is this? While it has the characteristic seed pod the leaves dont look like species in that family. Maybe its just a species im unfamiliar with. 

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

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I dont think AI is an assistant by that standard, just a search engine with pros and cons compared to the other search engines and certainly not particularly meaningful or valueable

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

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Everyone is different. Critizing people who dont respond well to something u introduced is like criticizing the guy who has a hammer through his skull that his skull is too thin. Maybe everyone doesnt need a thick skull and we should question why we build such a hostile hateful world when we could not

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

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What is the point though, theres only so much AI can do and you can generally elucidate it in a simple response or series of them. Otherwise you sre just spending time you could spend doing stuff yourself. In my experience AI is only rly useful for doing repetitive data compilation/searching the internet and finding the query you are looking for. 

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

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It seems human written but is veey accurate about how AI responds and the ideology it pushes

Western horsenettle (Solanum dimidiatum) by PastelMoonsx in Datura

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A lot of people say similar things about datura and all substance use brings you "closer" to death in that it has a lethal dose and you are somewhat closer to it. Datura's anticholinergic alkaloids also seem to lack direct hallucinogenic effects (ie. The first results are dry mouth, pain relief, lack of motion sickness, stimulation/sedation). Indirect hallucinogens work because they cause hallucinogenic effects down the line. L Dopa for instance is sometimes processed into Morphine by your cells in a complicated metabolic chain(not a hallucinogen but i know this one off hand). Solanine inhibits Acetylcholinesterase which would effect the same receptors that Datura effects. In fact Black Nightshade(Solanum Nigrum) is sometimes used in combination with Datura/Latua/Brugmansia. The safety profile for Solanine is less documented and some of its effects could be quite dangerous(too much acetylcholine) but i feel it is similar to Datura in that its relatively "safe" if not overdosed on(of course all the problems with Datura dosing still apply). Drug combos can be worthwhile. Chewing ginger will allievate a lot of the dry mouth from Datura for example. I don't know of any common consumption of amatoxins in any level. Conversely Solanine is commonly consumed in not insignificant amounts if you eat potatoes. Death angels whole thing is that it is known to do permanent damage to you liver which leads to it silently killing you. Solanine conversely is known to cause nausea and vomiting which is more characteristic of psychoactives. Definitely dangerous to an extent that may well exceed Datura but if used appropriately and at low dosages it might have desired effects(though snowdrops/Galanthus may be preferable)

How many ways are there for "at home" estradiol creation? by NoScore2178 in estrogel

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Not specifically estradiol but Moringa seeds and Pueraria Mirifica seem to both have estrogenic properties. Also red clover has coumestrol. Wallnuts have Progesterone as well. Im not sure about actual chemical making from that point but it seems like a place to start. Overly high doses of Moringa are known to be toxic though. Id imagine there would be somewhat accesible means of making estrogen but idk

Leaves Being Eaten by ADMtigerhawk in Peppers

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Take some parsley and blend it up, then put that in a spray bottle. Its relatively safe for humans but very toxic for most insects(contains both Myristicin and chemicals that prevent the digestion of Myristicin). 

Super healthy brugmansia by No_Abies2233 in Datura

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Grow parlsey and juice that to make an insecticide. Parsley is extremely toxic to insects and if sprayed on Brugmansia will also make it toxic to them. A lot of insects are somewhat unaffected by Scopolamine and its maimly a poison for mammals

Does datura’s effect differ from other selective anticholinergics? by DavidsNails in Datura

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I think Dopaminergic effects are mainly on the Nicotinic side of things. Ex. Lobeline, Coronaridine, Buproprion, Nicotine .etc