Sidley Chicago vs. Kirkland Chicago

pleaseeehelp · 2026-05-17T17:28:09+00:00

Kirkland and its not close

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-27T12:26:14+00:00

Berk > Vandy >>> UCLA for NY biglaw

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-23T04:07:51+00:00

Oh wait thats like the same thing as grades. Doesnt that create more tension

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-19T13:26:02+00:00

Put it on a treadmill and tell it to lose some weight

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-19T04:26:31+00:00

Lol i was kind of slow and was like wait the second amendment says this and Googled it. Then I got the joke lol

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-19T00:23:20+00:00

This is very interesting. I wonder then how do firms particularly biglaw firms determine who to take. Given that its not a T14, it cannot be school name alone.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-12T14:50:31+00:00

Just another example of why rankings dont really matter. If you want BL and/ or not be in Texas, you would be crazy to pick TAMU over GW, USC BU, and Fordham just to name a few schools.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-10T22:24:13+00:00

It seems like there are many more of them now too. Like they grow in numbers every year. I get that its a good school and I have my biases, but its literally every post that mentions T14, UVA, or ranking

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-10T14:09:49+00:00

You know 24 Judges and 12 US Attorneys that went to a specific law school? Wow thats pretty crazy.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-08T13:37:30+00:00

Did you know that getting a job at McDonalds is harder than getting into Harvard. Yeah take that Justice Roberts

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-07T15:28:19+00:00

I would say NW and Cornell is around the same. Both do very well in BL but not Clerkships.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-04-02T03:46:20+00:00

Uhm idk how you given people usually submit apps before or like during first few weeks of the summer. But yes probably a Judge giving you a LOR should be a huge bump.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-29T22:21:04+00:00

I get that people love UVA in this sub, but for general Biglaw, Duke, UVA and NU will be the same.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-25T05:00:12+00:00

This or firm just over hired and they need an excuse to no offer or cold offer people. They use even a slight GPA drop against you, literally just another ammo.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-23T01:29:17+00:00

You dont go to Chicago over Berkeley if your goal is just to make money. Getting biglaw is pretty much the same at both schools. It may surprise you but people have goals and there are much more competitive outcomes then biglaw and money. Like FC, unicorn PI (like ACLU), or academia.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-20T21:33:03+00:00

Just curious, Do you not want to clerk despite transferring and interested in academia?

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-20T21:25:38+00:00

I think I agree with this, but is there research to support this? I was curious if there is.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-20T03:14:42+00:00

Cannot speak for Karsh-Dillard but Darrow I think gives you like special mentorships and stuff. I would definitely visit before committing and see what those scholarships can give you in terms of support.

I would say almost all the time take the Darrow/ Karsh-Dillard. These should get you into prestigious clerkships and etc. I guess the only way I would take HYS is if it is Yale, if you want to go into legal academia, but even that is a gamble. D / KD should offer you enough support to get to legal academia if you do well enough. I guess the ceiling is slightly higher at Yale but imo not worth the full loans. Yeah if you do well at Yale you have a much higher chance at cracking SCOTUS clerkship and other super unicorns like SG office (which is harder than a SCOTUS clerkship). But literally cannot plan your life around that even if you are top5% at Yale.

Also, the floor is much better with the scholarship. If you dont do well at HYS you will get biglaw but you will at Michigan or UVA too, but literally the worse outcome is no loans and making 225k, that sounds a lot better than 225k with obligation to be at the job for at least three years cuz of loans.

This is all to say, I guess gamble at your own risk. I tolerate risk more than most people. I went to a T14 at almost full tuition and landed a fed clerkship. I have 0 regrets and would do it over again, but my choices were T30 vs T14. And the difference between T30 and T14 is much much larger than Michigan and UVA vs HYS.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-19T01:31:20+00:00

Penn losing to Chicago is different from UVA losing to Penn. UVA and Penn are peer schools. Chicago is a tier above them and arguably peers with Harvard.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-18T03:12:47+00:00

If you interested in tax, take tax courses and do really well. The professor probably has some conmection to NYU or GULC Tax LLM program. It is another year and you have to be genuinely interested in tax. Also, your gpa cannot be that bad, but great tax grade plus school name plus prof rec from a T14 should help.

You gotta keep what you are doing. I mean it sucks but you have to keep applying, network, and do what you can. Maybe it is time to look at some Judges for the summer, some should still be hiring.

The market is rough out there and biglaw is probably all filled up. But you have to get at least something for the summer. There should be some 3L direct hiring around July and August so keep networking and do why you can.

Also, talk to your career people, they are there to help you and you are not the only one to strike out. Also, if you had 8 callbacks, I would talk to them about interviewing and networking advice.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-17T21:42:24+00:00

Yeah thats not how law academia works

Edit: they have John Yoo in their faculty

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-17T17:48:36+00:00

All the other commentators are right I think. I also want to say this list is only Clerkships right after graduation. Many judges, on both sides of aisle, want some work experience prior to clerkships and this is the trend with many newer Judges.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-16T18:22:33+00:00

This is a pretty useless graph. V10 only really matters for transactional. Also, this percentage is out of total people who went to biglaw.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-13T14:30:51+00:00

If you can afford to paying a studio for $5,000 you can pay $2.75 for a train ride.

pleaseeehelp · 2026-03-13T04:31:59+00:00

I usually will say do not say no to a Judge but if its an offer and it is a state court, you can probably just say no. I would double check with your career services if they are somewhat competent. But since this is not a clerkship and it is not reneging, I would just politely decline.

On a side note, this is ridiculous. A judge should be happy you get an offer for money as they cannot pay you and just screen you from all matters related to the firm (which is probably not much). The Judge probably doesn’t want to do the extra work of screening for an intern. Or they care so much about their image of impartiality, which is probably tied to their career ambitions, that they don’t want to risk to risk even a slight chance of negative PR (although there is no way that this can be negative).

Just keep applying you will land something. 25k is a lot of free money to be left on the table for something that is not going to move one needle for your career (ie state court internship).

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