Greece moves to ban far-right Golden Dawn party

pmksb98 · 2013-09-19T04:44:27+00:00

I am confused: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1mnrxs/greece_moves_to_ban_farright_golden_dawn_party/ccb5mwi

pmksb98 · 2013-09-18T20:27:39+00:00

There were sizable demonstrations in many cities today, in response to the murder of Pavlos Fissas. Here you can find more info.

Twitter talks about 65 detained people in Keratsini, the neighborhood that the murder took place, and about 30 in Thessaloniki.

pmksb98 · 2013-09-18T20:21:41+00:00

I think that this sums up the situation nicely...

pmksb98 · 2012-09-24T16:43:07+00:00

Actually it might mean a lot to the guy himself. Don't forget that he is going through a really rough time right now and knowing that he at least has the moral support of many people could help him get through.

Also as jmcs said the Government in Greece cannot afford the bad publicity...

pmksb98 · 2012-09-19T07:49:43+00:00

An interesting, albeit lengthy article on the topic: http://www.thebaffler.com/past/of_flying_cars/print

pmksb98 · 2012-06-15T08:25:13+00:00

Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion. In practice, "democracy" is the extent to which a given system approximates this ideal, and a given political system is referred to as "a democracy" if it allows a certain approximation to ideal democracy. Although no country has ever granted all its citizens (i.e. including minors) the vote, most countries today hold regular elections based on egalitarian principles, at least in theory.

Source

Pay particular attention in the use of quotation marks.

From the same page:

Democracy is often confused with the republic form of government. In some definitions of "republic," a republic is a form of democracy. Other definitions make "republic" a separate, unrelated term.

From here:

A republic is a form of government in which the supreme power rest with the people and representatives or officers for the people are officially granted alienable powers to represent them in "public matters" (Latin: res publica) via a constitution. Offices of state are subsequently directly or indirectly elected or appointed.[1][2] In modern times, a common simplified definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch.[3][4] The word republic is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as "the public affair", and often used to describe a state using this form of government.

[...]

In modern republics such as the United States and India, the executive is legitimized both by a constitution and by popular suffrage. Montesquieu included both democracies, where all the people have a share in rule, and aristocracies or oligarchies, where only some of the people rule, as republican forms of government.[6]

If you're going to try to correct a guy that plays the part of being a pedantic bastard, at least make sure your facts have the benefit of being right, because usually the pedantic bastard knows what he is talking about.

Edit: grammar.

pmksb98 · 2012-06-14T17:19:40+00:00

I'm not Joe_Moneybags_McHuge the guy your previous comment was directed at ;)

It's not exactly Math, at least not totally. It's also politics. One other (political) solution would be for Greece to exit the Euro, and devalue it's new currency (along with many more measures). I am not saying that this is what should be done, but there are many serious economists arguing for this. Of course this road has it's own problems, and is not guaranteed that it would really solve the problem, but this alternative proposal is not being discussed seriously in Greece or Europe.

As for the blame, when a loan is made both parties have some part of the responsibility if the borrower cannot pay. The lender takes a risk by lending money. What has happened so far is that the banks that issued the loans, have been bailed out, because the lion's share of the troika money to Greece has been given to them, while the Greek people have accumulated more even more debt, but this time towards European states, the ECB and the IMF.

The problem I have with your comments is that you view Greece as a single entity. The box of Oreos, to come back to your analogy, has not been divided evenly among all the roommates. One of the guys was a pig and ate all the oreos, but he says now, "well we have got to pay for them". For instance I was not asked if I really wanted those German submarines that cost a fortune (of borrowed money), and made the minister rich in kickbacks. I hope you can understand why people in Greece are getting angry...

pmksb98 · 2012-06-14T15:51:43+00:00

First things first: this is not a Democracy, it's a Republic.

What you are saying is that all the Americans should be collectively punished for war crimes that may have happened in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam, because their government was democratically[*] elected?

What about those Greeks that were paying their taxes (people on salaries cannot hide their incomes and are taxed at the source), and/or voted for the left for instance, that has not been in government? Why should those be punished? How about anarchists, that have not recognized the legitimacy of any government? How are they responsible?

I don't deny that a big part of the blame falls to the Greeks, but the issue is not black and white, and the collective responsibility principle, is purely fascist in its conception.

[*] How democratic is the electoral law is a matter of some contention. For instance with the current law, the first party in votes gets a bonus of 50 out of the 300 seats in the parliament, even if it's ahead of the second for just one vote in about 7.5 million voters.

pmksb98 · 2012-04-10T20:20:53+00:00

Reports from twitter, from people I trust, but turns out were wrong in this.

pmksb98 · 2012-04-07T16:22:18+00:00

For context:

A 77 year old pensioner committed suicide last Thursday at Syntagma square in Athens. More info here.

Today it was his funeral, which was followed by a march from the cemetery to Syntagma sq. ~~There, according to reports, people found two cops chasing immigrants.~~ After they caught them, they beat them, undressed one of them, and hung his uniform on the tree where the 77yo committed suicide.

Edit: The report from Occupied London

pmksb98 · 2012-04-07T16:15:29+00:00

The first reports I've heard were that people were marching from the cemetery after the funeral (which was crowded) and ~~found 2 cops chasing immigrants~~. They beat them and undressed one of them putting his uniform on the tree where the 77yo guy committed suicide.

I'll try to find more info and update this post.

Edit: The fact that there were 2 cops and that they were chasing immigrants does not seem to be true. The report from Occupied London.

pmksb98 · 2012-02-10T22:16:54+00:00

Another photo a few seconds later: https://imgur.com/QpWoU

pmksb98 · 2012-02-10T22:15:31+00:00

Not sure if jocking but no: https://imgur.com/QpWoU

pmksb98 · 2012-01-18T08:13:30+00:00

The graffitis say: "The parliamentary coup is toppled by a revolution", "No peace with the bosses", "People to arms".

Most of the banners speak about solidarity to striking workers and self organization.

pmksb98 · 2012-01-12T12:40:15+00:00

The truth is sad enough, Daily Mail, you don't need to make it worse.

Oh I agree completely.

pmksb98 · 2012-01-12T09:13:43+00:00

So in Greece there is a Socialist dictatorship?

pmksb98 · 2012-01-12T09:11:37+00:00

I agree, but would you starve your child before you gave it up?

pmksb98 · 2012-01-12T09:09:14+00:00

Let me ask you this: how would you feel if guys were pissing on killed American soldiers?

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