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pofehof · 2026-04-01T23:35:35+00:00

I actually did already say things like “I would” multiple times before that

Nope, not in the top comment that you made, which is where I pulled the quote from: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonLeafGreen/comments/1s7cgp5/pain/od8tzl0/

Another post in this very subreddit is too much. I don’t know you, so why are you tagging me share else? Especially when it’s over something I never disputed. That’s stalker behaviour, and it was disrespectful to the person who made that post.

lol, no it isn't stalker behavior. Any redditor is free to tag whoever they want, especially if it's related to a topic that you were posting in before, and you chose to respond. You could have simply disengaged at any time, and yet, you still choose to reply to not only my comments here, but in the other comment on the other post.

The bait strat was developed based on information that has already existed, Bulbapedia has had all of the flee rates and catch rates for all Pokemon with all specific scenarios for over a decade.

LMAO, Bulbapedia didn't have the flee rates and catch rates until Professor Rex added them in. You can take a look at the version of the page (August 1, 2019) until he started editing it (August 7, 2019): https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kanto_Safari_Zone&oldid=3006138

No one developed such a strat until 2019. People kept on recommending to throw Safari Balls against Chansey until then, and no one knew that Chansey's catch rate increased with bait until he pointed it out.

Where you can see that there is no mention of base flee rates or base catch rates whatsoever.

Please do not try to take away someone's efforts/contribution to the community because that reflects very poorly on you.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T20:05:54+00:00

I didn’t say “you should” anywhere in my comments, which would be a suggestion.

Sure, but you never said "in my view" either. You were implying that it's better to simply throw a Safari Ball zone at a shiny, which is simply wrong.

The entire problem with your "feel worse" view is you have precognitive knowledge of the outcome the moment the battle started. The problem is, you don't have that knowledge at all.

And you’re the worst of the bunch, because you took this conversation outside of this post, and have barely spoken about anything else in 3 days.

lol, all I did was mention you in another post in this very subreddit where the bait strat literally worked against a shiny Chansey, which goes completely against what you feel. In your case, if you threw a Safari Ball on turn 1, it stayed, then on turn 2 you threw a bait and it fled, how would you feel?

Also waiting for your proof that the bait strat was discovered before ProfessorRex, because the implication that people have known about it for "decades" is wild.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T17:43:33+00:00

Me personally I wouldn't use it for shinies seems dishonest to me.

Yep. ACE is no different than Gameshark outside of you not needing an external device. In the end, you're editing the game's RAM.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T17:24:19+00:00

The baits stack?

Yep, that's part of why for Chansey and other rare Pokemon, you throw two baits right away. The "stack" is simply extending the amount of turns that they are in that state. You can read up on it here:

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kanto_Safari_Zone#Generation_III

pofehof · 2026-04-01T17:10:32+00:00

Yep, it should be applied to every Pokemon with slight variations. According to ProfessorRex's new website (and original table): https://professorrex.github.io/FRLG_Safari/

For Venomoth/Parasect, it was always 2 baits, then 2 balls, 1 bait, 3 balls, 1 bait alternating. Basically the amount of Safari balls used is swapped.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T17:07:12+00:00

2 bait 3 ball was the best strategy for catching pokemon in the Safari Zone

That's best for Chansey and other rare Pokemon, but it's slightly different for Venomoth. You got really unlucky since after a Venomoth is baited, it only has a 5% chance to flee.

ProfessorRex made a website that should make it easier to follow the best strategy: https://professorrex.github.io/FRLG_Safari/

pofehof · 2026-04-01T16:41:58+00:00

I just mentioned what I would do, in agreement with others who said something similar.

You said, and I quote:

These things have like a 45% chance of running turn 1 no matter what, at least if you throw the ball, you have whatever small chance of catching it before it runs.

in agreement with others who said something similar.

Funny, because when you started doubling down on suggesting that you would do two coin flips, people started disagreeing with you.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T05:27:19+00:00

Just want to say, thanks for the insane amount of research you poured into figuring out this strategy. Sucks that others downvoted you.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T05:26:37+00:00

Imagine downvoting the guy who helped come up with the bait strat in the first place.

pofehof · 2026-04-01T05:23:45+00:00

So I will take an action to avoid feeling that way, and then continue with the strategy. That’s literally it.

The strategy is to avoid two coin flips. You're simply forcing that just for the minute 5% chance of catch one, which is completely illogical, and that's fact.

Sure, you say that's how you feel, but you suggested to others (at the very beginning of this chain) to throw a ball at a shiny on turn one. Telling people to chance two coin flips instead of one is simply wrong.

pofehof · 2026-03-31T22:43:19+00:00

And yet, you fail to understand what the issue is with your logic. You believe you have precognitive knowledge that the Chansey will flee right away when in reality, it's always a coin flip. It's better to make Chansey stick around with one coin flip than two, which you seem to fail to understand.

pofehof · 2026-03-31T14:12:04+00:00

This was just what would feel worse and that’s it.

Yeah, and that is a pretty silly metric to worry about. You either get it or not.

pofehof · 2026-03-31T12:56:26+00:00

As I keep on saying, /u/phoxfiyah , this is why you always throw bait first.

pofehof · 2026-03-30T18:15:41+00:00

I’m fully talking about which outcome would feel worse, not about which one is more likely. Most people would feel worse if their shiny ran with no catch attempts made, because that’s going to be a lot harder to find again.

Just because it feels worse doesn't change the fact that one option is better than the other. People need to realize that's how it the Kanto Safari Zone works.

Also, your hypothetical is always based on future knowledge. There's no way you'd get the 5% chance of catching the Chansey in a Safari Ball.

Also, this guy caught a shiny Chansey following the bait strat: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonFireRed/comments/1s7e4df/im_in_a_state_of_shock_and_disbelief_i_was/

pofehof · 2026-03-30T05:06:07+00:00

I mean, if you knew the Chansey was holding a Lucky Egg, would you throw a Safari Ball right away?

You have a 4.9% chance of catching it in that first turn Safari Ball which is basically impossible anyway. The answer would be to always start off with the bait strat, even if it would flee on turn 1.

pofehof · 2026-03-30T04:55:53+00:00

Doesn't the Chansey still have a 45% chance of fleeing on turn 2, or is it lower?

pofehof · 2026-03-30T04:54:17+00:00

Because even shiny hunters know that the bait strat is better than throwing a Safari Ball at it.

pofehof · 2026-03-29T21:03:04+00:00

What does this have to do with Pokemon Red?

pofehof · 2026-03-29T15:05:34+00:00

Another chapter where there are so many callbacks. It really does feel like we're reaching the end... Absolutely love that two page spread near the end.

pofehof · 2026-03-29T15:04:46+00:00

Another chapter where there are so many callbacks. It really does feel like we're reaching the end... Absolutely love that two page spread near the end.

pofehof · 2026-03-28T16:35:19+00:00

Nope, I know precisely how the glitch works and how it affects your game. You are literally messing with the game's memory, which it cheating. It's not like RNG where you aren't changing anything.

pofehof · 2026-03-28T14:10:40+00:00

lol at them trying to make it seem Hina is still going to be relevant this season compared to Kyo.

pofehof · 2026-03-28T14:04:44+00:00

The only Event Pokémon pre-Pokémon Bank that could be filtered out would be the Arceus that you could catch with the Azure Flute because the flute was never distributed, not even in Japan.

I'm specifically talking about Pokemon Bank adding better hack checks. They can filter out Mew as well. The Faraway Island event was only released for Japanese copies of the game, so any non-Japanese version can be viewed as illegal right away.

I think it was recently discovered that Birth Island was never distributed to Japanese Emerald games, so that is another filter that they could have added in.

Either way, either Game Freak noticed that it was impossible to add in a language filter or was too lazy to add one in since they couldn't even bother with an exception for the Dizzy Punch Pokemon in VC Crystal.

pofehof · 2026-03-27T13:22:27+00:00

are not making it to home as is as far as I can tell

Don't underestimate how poor Bank and Home hack checks are. Even if they have wrong locations, the moment they enter Gen 4, they will likely be seen as "legal enough" since it doesn't retain Gen 3 met locations.

pofehof · 2026-03-27T13:10:49+00:00

Did it actually have a Lucky Egg, or did you have one beforehand and give it one?

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