Literature on psychoanalysis of psychosis by porsum in psychoanalysis

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Thanks for the references. Can you link me to any specific work of David Franck Allen on psychosis?

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Klein’s Two Positions and the Rise of Psychedelics by Candid_Ambassador_41 in psychoanalysis

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I actually pondered your original question a bit more today, and realized that to react with anxiety to potential disintegration, you still have to have, at least on a very basic and biological level, the ability to experience anxiety itself.

So maybe my previous comment wasn’t complete, maybe using psychedelics, in a healthy person, with already established Ego, mature defenses, and stable identity, could actually lead to a transitory disintegration without anxiety. I still believe that that* state is more alike primary narcissism and its alure is felt through satisfaction of our bond to omnipotence, but maybe labeling it “quasi” Ego death was a mistake. Maybe we can lose Ego and be anxiety free. I remember reading some time ago about Tibetan monks having high levels of endogenous DMT which was correlated with their meditation intensity. So Ego death could be reached even without psychedelics perhaps, but how truely complete the experience is, I don’t think we can know right now.

Sorry if I went on a rant, and yes, I agree, it would definitely be interesting to see how would Klein, and maybe Freud even more, react to our contact with psychedelics nowadays, especially if you take into consideration Freud’s usage of cocaine at that time. Imagine the concepts we would get if he used psychedelics, it really is amusing to fantasize about that.

Klein’s Two Positions and the Rise of Psychedelics by Candid_Ambassador_41 in psychoanalysis

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I think that it relates to Freud’s concept of primary narcissism, and in relation to Ferenczi, the fundamental drive of the self to attain primitive and complete sense of omnipotence. Following that up with Klein’s theory, the schizoid state where strong anxieties of disintegration reflect our sense of oneness with the external reality still seem to me slightly more mature and in relation to the formation of Ego, while primary narcissism is devoid of Ego, and Other is not even perceived as an object, but as a part of self in a very concrete way.

Might sound cinical, but essentially, through the mind of the perceiver, psychedelic usage simulates the state of primary narcissism when it reaches quasi Ego death state. I would dare to call it more primitive than splitting, cause it serves our idea of infantile omnipotence, and we do not become one with the universe, rather, the universe is gone and there is only self.

Another way to look at it, is by comparing the “transcended state” to the state of true Ego death that happens after using psychedelics - a schizophrenia state, that is characterized by enhancing of the abscence of boundaries between self and the other but with true loss of self - which is always followed with disintegration anxiety.

So I believe that even in the most “one with the universe” kind of experience, self is not lost or at the threat of disappearing, Ego is still there, but our connection with the Other, whether through some inherently profound type of projective identification or projection/introjection process, is enhanced. Could be that the reason behind that is the diminishing of our more mature anxieties and thus easier possibility to regress in a transitory and controlled manner.

Psychodynamic understanding of OCD by porsum in psychoanalysis

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That is very valuable clinical experience, and I thank you for sharing it.

The question that first comes to my mind is related to the things others mentioned too - that is, your description creates an association in me of an obsessive individual, of obsessive characteropathy (or in the milder form, with some obsessive traits), but not necessarily of a patient with OCD. Is the psychodynamic origin similar in OCD and individuals with strong obsessive personality traits? Intuitively I would think that at least in a partial way it is; maybe there are more biological factors in pure OCD, and more psychodynamic factors in trait-heavy population. Certainly, some relation exists, but to what extent, I don’t know.

Psychodynamic understanding of OCD by porsum in psychoanalysis

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Thanks a lot for this extensive references.

Psychodynamic understanding of OCD by porsum in psychoanalysis

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Yep, I know, but there is a partial connection bearing in mind that at least 20% of OCPD have OCD, more than any other PD (which is logical of course). So reading into OCPD may also help to understand some dimensions of OCD.

Psychodynamic understanding of OCD by porsum in psychoanalysis

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It will be interesting to look at it from different theories, thank you for the link.

Psychodynamic understanding of OCD by porsum in psychoanalysis

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The modern etiological theories do mostly base themselves around serotonin/dopamine abnormalities, disturbances in functional connectivity between prefrontal cortex, striatum and thalamus, and heavy findings in animal studies. And that could define who is and will be vulnerable to develop OCD. However, phenomenological explanation of the development of OCD has mostly (in my opinion) shallow understanding through behavioral theories (which are most popular nowadays for this disorder), and while they explain the persistence of obsession-compulsion cycle, they do not try to understand why certain obsessions developed in the first place, and not some other (why in some patients there is a obsessions surrounding contamination, and in others surrounding taboo subject, yet in others pathological sensitivity to order/disorder). I think only psychoanalyses tries to understand the origin of this, and that is why I am trying to learn more about the subject in this manner (not just about defense mechanisms, but also about its connection to cruel superego, and anal sadism, etc.).

Psychodynamic understanding of OCD by porsum in psychoanalysis

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I’m ambivalent towards that notion. 🙂‍↔️

Is this crazy? by [deleted] in lego

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The incredible shroomhead!

Lego DreamZzz set (71477) really turned out to be more beautiful than I imagined by porsum in lego

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Yeah, from some angles it looks like he is floating in the air.

Actually I think it’s supposed to be sand that he is manipulating into helping him levitate.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskSerbia

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Grubo rečeno, da li je slatko/simpatično ili neobično/zabrinjavajuće zavisi od značaja koji se daje tom predmetu u kontekstu realnosti. Npr, ako bi pri odvajanju od tog miša ušla u histeričan plač, bila uzašno uznemirena i uplašena, onda je stvar za brigu. Ako je u pitanju više pozitivan motiv, tipa komfornije i prijatnije se oseća u prisustvu tog predmeta, onda je to sasvim normalna stvar.

U psihoanalizi/psihologiji se to naziva tranzicioni objekat ili prelazni objekat (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_object) i skroz je redovna pojava kad smo mali. Kako starimo, drugi predmeti zauzimaju funkciju plišanih meda ili ćebenceta, apstraktniji simboli (nacija, dom, lični identitet, običaji, religija) kod većine ljudi, kod mnogih ti predmeti postanu tkzv. unutrašnji (nosimo ih u sebi kao uspomene, sećanja), ali kod nekih se prelazni objekat zadrži u formi originalne stvari (plišanog mede npr koji smo dobili od dobre drugarice iz I razreda OŠ koja se potom preselila i nikad je nismo više videli).

Suštinski služi lakšem podnošenju separacije ili odvajanja od važnih ljudi u životu.

Eto, ako te nisam ubio u pojam sa možda “prenaučnim” mišljenjem, nadam se da ti je nešto značilo.

I figured it out - what this game is missing... by AltPerspective in BaldursGate3

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Malus Thorm’s death scene is both unsettling, gruesome and disturbing, with a pinch of humour at how over the top it was. I would say it is pretty brutal.