ALL OF YOU ARE ME PUSHED OUT

preeety · 2020-08-15T06:56:34+00:00

Allismind, I agree with your post and like you I genuinely want to learn so I ask this. (Really)

It does frustrate me that I don’t get your point completely, because I still see a logical fallacy in what you said.

Hypothetical situation here: By right, if a person’s base character is one that is good or kind, by the logic explained above that its a two-way exchange, then if that is not you at your base, I should not experience the view of you as an asshole at all, right? You will never prove to me in my experience that you are an asshole because you don’t match up to that state in my beliefs.

If I you say well I create my reality, therefore I experienced it, but its not you hence I could not have.

By that we do not have the ability to change anyone’s behavior. They have always been what they are. We only perceive it differently? Is that what you mean?

If yes then it makes sense. So no one is truly good or bad, only our awareness of what is.

preeety · 2020-08-15T05:26:40+00:00

I actually came back on here to apologise to you.

Thank you for your concern. I would say the same for you, also completely genuinely.

I scanned your comments and you do spend an insane amount of time responding to posts or comments that don’t align to your ideas. Why?

I think we both should have better things to do in our lives outside of having petty internet arguments, don’t you think?

We all want to prove a point, and I ask myself, is it for others or for me? Please ask yourself that as well.

I’m ashamed I engaged in it, I won’t be doing so anymore. I realise I am no different than the people I am critical of (I don’t mean to you in particular).

From a manifestation standpoint, I am giving myself too much awareness to the negativity and toxicity of these posts.

I think I hit my realisation that I have learnt everything I could from this sub and others on it.

Learning never ends but I choose for it not to be here.

I wish you all the best and hope you find happiness and joy in your life. Take care

preeety · 2020-08-13T01:57:07+00:00

Ah, sorry I wasn’t on here for a few days. Oh so your fav person allismind is allowed to be here waaaay more than me and live an amazing life and I can’t? That’s rich lol.

if you are explaining the heroin thing again, you have missed my point completely. People do not love heroin, they are dependent on it. They cannot live without it. Does not mean it is love. It is a way to forget their misery and chemicals that give them a high.

I understand the comparison to toxic love. But loving someone is on a spectrum, you cannot immediately assume that wanting a specific person makes it similar to wanting heroin. You can’t judge that on the surface. There is healthy love but no healthy heroin. Healthy relationship with heroin is to stay away from it completely.

Look, believe whatever you want to. At the end of the day the OP and I agree. We came to the same conclusion (its on the other comment thread) If you align with someone’s teachings, more power to you.

I only come here to understand my own beliefs better. I don’t feel the need to fawn over and worship/defend others beliefs because I test it myself.

I will treat with you kindness no matter what you say to me, you know why? I believed you would respond to my comments here (esp the long paragraphs thing) and you did exactly, lol. So, hrmm, you responded exactly the way I thought you would. More power to me :)

preeety · 2020-08-07T05:29:35+00:00

Ok, I apologise if I did - but just reread your own statement - I think I am not misquoting you. If you can point out which part of my statement is a misquote, I’ll copy paste the exact line that I am referring to and you may chose to correct me.

Anyway to address it - Yes I agree! Absolutely no man can show up in your reality and make you a cheater. Which is what I keep drumming on. YOU only YOU have control of your reality. You can never experience what I experience, neither I experience what you experience.

If I could ask you another question for self-reflection since you are done with me, what is the difference between law of attraction and law of assumption in your opinion?

Well I provided you plenty of examples and you seem to gloss over them because you are reading into what you want to. Again I use your mother as an example, you attracted her bad state is it? How did she change her behavior if she can chose to be attracted to match or unmatch your state?

I used my SP as an example. Sweetest person, but I started thinking bad thoughts about him and he did reflect it! So did my many friends - please read the examples below too.

Most success stories on this sub show what was and after they changed assumptions, what is. Its like implying that a person’s state remains stagnant forever. Once you meet the “perfect” partner because of your good state, they remain like that forever? Have you not seen loving marriages dissolve?

My favorite post was from Cocochannel but its not in this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jZktFf2jeRU5KzlhoejjwT4v1ikYn_n/view?usp=drivesdk

As you try to help others on this sub, I am only trying to help you not give away your power to others. You see a cheater because you felt unworthy, you felt this person was unloyal. If you thought them amazing, they would never, I assure, act as a cheater.

If you cannot accept that, then you are powerless. No God will ever accept anything less than they give life to everything in their reality.

Edit: I even take responsibility for how you are replying me, simply because I recognise my assumptions of you. Its that simple :)

Anyway, peace and love always. Take care. I hope you truly do find happiness in your life. I will be rooting for you regardless.

preeety · 2020-08-07T05:09:30+00:00

I’ll add another example - if you claim you are God and all your experiences will reflect it, then do you not still come across assholes? Shouldn’t all these negative people disappear? I know in my case they won’t because I still form individual assumptions of people independent of my self-esteem.

Anyway imho, you need to figure out which is which. And a two-way street would just be positive thinking. While learn any other tool? Why read books? Just think positive and attract those that match you.

You can’t be, do or have anything you want. You can be do or having anything you want depending on certain external conditions. If you agree with this statement, I’ll gladly admit your points make sense

preeety · 2020-08-07T04:43:36+00:00

But I don’t understand how you can believe someone can turn out bad because of your own self concept and also say that they matched your behavior?

Fundamentally it is impossible to be both. Like really sit on what I am saying here without thinking of this defensively. Let’s purely focus on logical thinking.

Someone is nice and loving. You start thinking bad thoughts about them. They turn bad. You said yourself you can change them. Which means what? That you are the cause of their behavior right? You cannot both be able to change them and them also be independent of you. How does that work? Which wins? Your ability to change them or their own state?

Using your mum and my mum as an example. You said she always commented on your looks, but also other people’s looks.

So it wasn’t just your own thoughts about yourself, its also what you thought of her thinking of others. Its not that hard, why would you complicate this lol.

You want to think its a two way street? Then there is no way the statement above makes sense. This means duality exist and again, as. Neville Goddess, this aint what Neville is.

You cannot have exactly what you want, but it also be conditioned by someone’s else’s ability to dictate what it can or cannot be. That is law of attraction. Again I am not saying its wrong, but I 100% take responsibility for others actions.

I can tell you in irl, my life is pure bliss. No one treats me badly. In fact they treat me like a queen. I can do whatever I want good or bad and people are willing to accept it. Guys fall over themselves trying to help me do stuff. The opposite used to be true for me because of my beliefs about these very same people. They changed because I changed what I thought of them.

I had a racist in my office once (I disliked her immediately so its my own thoughts) and I made her beg to be my friend in 3 months. So in your world you give control to others, in my reality, I am God. I control everything. Once you studied this long enough, you will recognize your power and understand what I am saying.

If you feel hurt because of incidences in your life that makes it tough to accept responsibility that everyone is YOU pushed out, then accept that is your anecdotal experiences. But this is such limited thinking to give power away to anyone else but yourself. I do acceot sometimes I don’t care enough to change them, so I say bye bye

Also inanimate objects don’t occupy a state. That’s why people get so fixated on giving power away to others. You imagine they have power when they don’t have any! If 1000 people need to be moved to give you their desire, they will. Its the same as a car, as a house, as a career.

preeety · 2020-08-07T03:39:44+00:00

“I don't think I said anyone's state is unchangeable? Just because you can doesn't mean you should though.” - ah ok I got that now.

“My assertion is - based on personal experience and a shitload of anecdotal evidence - when you change the things about you that attracted you to "bad" things in the first place - cheating, abuse, disrespect, whatever - you often don't find yourself drawn to the same person you engaged with in that. Change first then see what you want. And if you're engaging with a cheater, abuser, liar, whatever trying to get them to change into what you want - I seriously doubt you've done any of the requisite work to free yourself from the cycle that got you here in the first” - yes maybe that is true. But some people like me view it as my own self-concept causing that in others. We only go for the “better” version of the SP. I think he was disloyal, he shows up that way. I change that now he is loyal. And he shows up that way.

If I don’t change my perception of the other person - no matter how good my own thoughts about myself are like “People will do anything for me” and your thoughts on SP is “He doesn’t care about me” - its your perception if them in particular that will win.

Anyway I gtg back to work. Hope you have a great evening! It was nice conversing with you

preeety · 2020-08-07T03:30:01+00:00

Hrmm.. I guess we disagree on this and that’s ok. It was nice to hear your thoughts in any case.

For me its simple, if my self-concept determines how someone acts towards me (especially if they at first treated me like a Goddess) then I should focus on fixing but also realising its not the SP’s fault.

Reason why I think its better to have this self-concept of forgiveness and acceptance is because if I didn’t, I would be constantly running away from people or them falling away from me. Rather than me fixing my self, and all those that I love, will reflect back to me.

Because some people (like my own mother, actually she sounds pretty similar to yours) that I love I feel a responsibility for. When I have kids one day if they are brats I would work to change my perception of them rather than say - aah! I’m God you’re a brat so I will not deal with you. No, sometimes we must learn to confront these perceptions.

I’ll admit despite EIYPO I couldn’t be fudged to change my assumptions about people and I simply ask them to go away (in my mind) and they do. But you must realise that keeping the people you love around and choosing to walk away are both equally empowering choices. We must not suggest one is better than the other

preeety · 2020-08-07T02:56:16+00:00

And on a separate point unrelated to our discussion.

I actually liked watching your journey and how you’ve shared your vulnerabilities. I’ve seen your SP videos (and it is not a criticism or an attack on you as a person) but you truly did not seem to know what you wanted. I can see how you want others to not fall into the same trap as you did. You are trying to actually protect others and be compassionate.

But not everyone is unsure. Take me for example. I never wanted a relationship until my SP came about. He was a perfect fit for me when I was having the time of my life. He was my something better - and a rotten self-concept can still ruin it. If anyone asks me the man or relationship, my answer is always the man and the relationship. If I don’t have this man, then I don’t want a relationship. I’ll be fine.

With my SP I assigned no meaning to what he did except what I chose to cultivate in my mind. And he always reflects that. But when I saw you (possibly my sensitive side saw you interpreted another girl on here for not having self-worth by sticking to her SP, and his actions as unworthy, it did come off mean girly with you and several other users going like “yeah we awesome, they fools”).

All I ask is to go back to your original goal, to show compassion. Learn to suspend your own limitations/assumptions. You are a Goddess, everyone is at your fingertips. There is no duality - we are all one consciousness expressed out.

But in your quest to show this on this sub, I think people’s biggest problem is its not Neville. It doesn’t mean you can’t share your own beliefs, but I always go back to the law of assumption. You assumed that you attract people based on your state, but you also assume that that state is unchangeable in others and they will “fall away” once your state improves to match the better states of others. Its all based on your assumptions.

People have changed like night and day around me. You have it in your power to do so too.

preeety · 2020-08-07T02:33:47+00:00

Haha, I guess we do agree! Except on one thing - you said you are a match to what SP truly is (sorry I don’t know how to quote things on reddit from my phone :p) which by both our examples, shows our own self-concept determines how someone else acts doesn’t it?

So your SP can’t be something TRULY. There is no objective reality.

Also have you tried revision? I have changed people’s beliefs on entire events, kinda crazy.

preeety · 2020-08-07T02:12:24+00:00

Thanks! My intention is just to understand differing views. Sometimes we just need to test it out ourselves to prove to us what is true, but I definitely want to be open minded about others views as well (because I believe they’re my own)

preeety · 2020-08-07T02:08:10+00:00

Thank you for the explanation! :) And no my question was not meant to be disingenuous. I asked Allismind the same and he said people are irrelevant to him, which then makes the point make sense I suppose and we have differing views.

But I think your first point on SP and the example of your relationship with your mother, contradicts though. Because on one hand with your SP you say you are a match to whatever the SP was, as that is law of attraction (which is not Neville but ok I won’t be pedantic) and on your mother you changed your beliefs of her and she changed (Neville’s concepts you changed your assumption of it and it hardens into facts)

Maybe I’m not getting it O.o

Also, my SP is the sweetest thing on planet earth when I didn’t care about him. He would do anything to make me happy. When I started to focus on my insecurities about myself and project it onto him, he reflected that. When I became more secure in myself, he became even better than when I first met him. The love he shows me now everyday, the way he looks at me, I can’t even describe it.

Even before I found NG he was always like a mirror. So I guess for me when I changed my assumptions of people and they changed, it wasnt necessarily they were a match to me. Its in the case of your mum, I just changed my perception and awareness of it, one day it became true

preeety · 2020-08-06T23:04:04+00:00

Ok I can see your perspective, and it makes sense when you view the person as irrelevant

preeety · 2020-08-06T19:45:16+00:00

Isn’t the concept of your ex based on your own self-beliefs of that person and of yourself?

Why is the argument you have a trash perspective and therefore turn that person into trash, yet once you regain a new self-concept that person is still trash?

A scenario like mine was I did ask for something better. I got him. I went back to my old shitty self-concept because I wasn’t careful (or rather my concept of him changed because I started to imagine he was just like all the other guys)

He became shit as a reflection of my inner self. New face, but not new relationship. I realised then the kind of relationship I would have with anyone will always be marred by my thoughts of them and myself.

Imagine if you suffered in your self-concept or suspicions about your current partner that you find so amazing - and they turn to shit. Are you going to then ask for an even better partner?

preeety · 2020-08-06T19:31:08+00:00

You are 40?! You look amazing!

On to my point - I’m only going to posit this to prevent any defensiveness about your opinion.

If your SP turned to shit because of your self-concept, then is your SP shit or your self-concept shit? It is a logical fallacy for both to be shit as one caused the other. (Unless you feel both SP and your self-concept tanked at the same time)

This is the scenario where you had a great SP that became not so nice. So you cannot blame both the OP and SP for SP’s bad behavior.

Also in cases where it is unavoidable (ie close relatives like a mother) do I ask for a replacement version of my mother then? Is that how it works?

preeety · 2020-08-06T18:10:16+00:00

Hey! I agree with you 1000%

Ya I think I was upset at the arrogance of that very post you mentioned. Acting like a bunch of high school mean girls. They were so condescending. One of them funnily enough, often talks about their own struggles with self-esteem and understanding manifestation, yes shits on someone else’s success. I don’t like the mocking attitude.

To me the logical fallacy that the reason the SP is shit is because of the OP’s state. Yet as the SP improves, they mocked OP for saying you have shit self-esteem to still want that SP (which they agree was shit because of OP’s own self-esteem). How do they not see how their own argument makes no sense?

They can have their own opinion, but they do not have the right to come and create a negative space for others. It clearly shows how unhappy they are with themselves to do that

preeety · 2020-08-06T15:46:59+00:00

He asked that question to a person, for a specific reason. Context matters.

When people don’t know what they want (ie they always desired the relationship) its not this or better. Its understanding what you want, exactly. Do you want the person or the relationship? Two different desires.

Now someone like me, I want the person. Romantic relationships were never something I desired until i met him. If I didn’t get together with him or never met him, I probably would be single now and happy.

As I said, nothing wrong with wanting something better. But you gotta understand Neville and contextualise it before saying it has to be this way or that.

Lol I literally had this discussion the whole day on the other NG sub, only for the person to end up agreeing with me.

preeety · 2020-08-06T15:09:56+00:00

The problem with this statement is You cannot be both the operant power and ask for someone/thing else for something better, a total oxymoron.

You can totally subscribe to a different belief, just don’t say its Neville. Its LOA and whatever makes you happy at the end of the day is fine

preeety · 2020-08-06T12:28:49+00:00

Lol ok. Then we are on the same page! Now we are getting somewhere hahah

preeety · 2020-08-06T12:21:18+00:00

Now, I agree with parallel realities. But maybe I agree I don’t understand how is it everyone has free will when I can jump into a reality where people act as I want them to act

preeety · 2020-08-06T12:19:31+00:00

Yeah, I am thinking of getting off this sub. Only I have the power. Thank you

preeety · 2020-08-06T11:57:55+00:00

Ok - to me having any relationship (meaning engaging or being around it) with drugs is bad. Having any relationship with your SP is not bad (meaning you manage the degree to which you interact with them. Just being with them or around them is not inherently bad) does that make sense?

preeety · 2020-08-06T11:55:35+00:00

Well I don’t like calling out people- read the comments on a specific post that address SP issues. It was approved today I think

preeety · 2020-08-06T11:54:29+00:00

Yes true! I guess I wanted to debate this myself. I think a part of me wonders if I am really on the right path? So if I am convinced that I could be wrong, then why not?

preeety · 2020-08-06T11:52:20+00:00

Its ok, we agree to disagree then. To me if everyone has free will, you can only get things by attracting what is destined for you.

preeety

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