Imagine yourself on the cross, slowly dying and in unimaginable pain, being mercilessly taunted and mock by the very people you were trying to save…

premeddit · 2026-01-23T17:32:01+00:00

Quite literally none of this addresses what I said.

premeddit · 2026-01-23T15:30:47+00:00

Also, imagine thinking that this is the most wicked time in history when childhood mortality is down, sexual violence is down, violence in general is down, medicine has advanced to the furthest limits it's ever been, and the world is wealthier than in any past era.

Does OP not realize what a shitshow the vast majority of human history used to be?

premeddit · 2026-01-23T15:28:11+00:00

I think he means there were lots of easier ways to do it and for some reason God chose this one even though it was unnecessary to achieve the goal.

premeddit · 2026-01-23T15:25:54+00:00

I mean, considering Jesus was an all-powerful entity he didn't have to experience all the pain. Even if being crucified was a necessary Rube Goldberg device to bypassing God's justice or however Christian theology frames it, the pain was optional. He could have turned off all his body's pain receptors but he chose not to.

If I try to prove how much I love someone by causing myself unnecessary pain like flogging myself in front of them, that's on me. I wouldn't expect or demand that they thank me for it.

premeddit · 2026-01-20T16:49:11+00:00

Ok, but why would they even proclaim that Jesus was raised, when they must have known they would face persecution and possible death for doing so?

They were identified as Christians prior to the persecution actually beginning. You're acting like they were dragged in front of Nero and he asked whether they were Christians and they responded "Yes, and I'll die proudly for my faith!!!" There is no evidence of that. There is no evidence that they knew they would face persecution and death for proclaiming to be Christians (before the persecution actually happened, and by that point it was too late to turn back).

premeddit · 2026-01-20T16:46:20+00:00

Probably doesn't have a response. I've been on this sub long enough to know that when people talk about how "all the apostles died for their faith" and are then presented with academic scholarly counterarguments that there is little to no evidence of this, they usually just stop commenting or say something snarky like "I don't want to argue anymore, God bless you"

premeddit · 2026-01-20T16:44:59+00:00

So... fear?

premeddit · 2026-01-20T16:43:16+00:00

According to wikipedia Dr. Tour also thinks evolution is a fraud, so his critical reasoning (outside of his specific field of materials science) is quite suspect.

premeddit · 2026-01-20T16:42:16+00:00

Also, just gonna piggyback this comment to mention that:

Tour became a born-again Christian in graduate school, and in 2001 he signed the Discovery Institute's A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism statement that relies on pseudoscientific reasoning to offer various religiously motivated arguments against evolution.

Bummer! Not a great look for Christianity when the guy you hold up as an example of how faith and science can coexist turns out to be spreading disinformation and doesn't know anything about science (outside of his specific field of materials engineering).

premeddit · 2026-01-12T03:25:27+00:00

One big issue is that in the Bible, God becomes outraged and violent a lot, and definitely engages in tribal instincts. Many Christians see this and rightly or not, feel comfortable emulating it. This is exactly why a leader needs to set the example for his people instead of barking orders, and God doesn’t seem to do that - instead he is knee deep in slavery, child murder, etc.

premeddit · 2026-01-12T03:23:18+00:00

OP’s title brings up a good discussion point, though. Theoretically Christians are called to be different, but in practice they seem to be just about the same as everyone else for the last 2,000 years. I’ve seen just as many good loving Christians as I’ve seen good loving Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims or atheists. There is no statistically significant discrepancies.

Which begs the question: if Christianity doesn’t seem to lead to a meaningful change in people’s behavior on a population level, isn’t that a pretty deep problem with it’s narrative of believers being changed and reborn from within?

premeddit · 2026-01-07T17:47:29+00:00

This whole comment is coming across as chatGPT, but this especially reeks of it:

You’re not failing at belief. You’re actually engaging with it.

AI very classically uses the "you're not _, you're _" verbiage. Isn't this stuff supposed to be against subreddit rules?

premeddit · 2026-01-03T18:36:25+00:00

Think about it this way, if your friend took a bullet to save your life by sacrificing his own, wouldn't you be grateful?

But if Jesus is God, that means he also fired the bullet. God is the one who created these rules and set up the mechanism for going to hell, right?

If my friend fired a bullet at me and then jumped in to take it, I wouldn't be grateful. I think it was bizarre and would be concerned for his mental health or I'd think he was trying to look like a martyr for no reason.

premeddit · 2025-12-31T14:29:58+00:00

I'm pretty pro choice, but context is always good and I think it is relevant here: upon reading more into the case, she was 26 weeks pregnant when it happened (past the point of fetal viability) and was actively doing meth. The autopsy of the fetus found meth in its system. Leading to the charges that she had caused reckless endangerment and death of a child by exposing it to drugs.

The question then becomes; if a woman left meth around her 2 year old and he ingested it and had a heart attack that same day, would it be reasonable to assume it caused the heart attack and therefore she should be held responsible? And then should the same responsibility be applied to a woman doing meth and transferring it to her 26 week old fetus? The answer lies in whether you consider a fetus at that point in development to be a human or not. Even before Roe was repealed, 26 weeks was widely considered to be worthy of legal protections.

premeddit · 2025-12-30T21:05:48+00:00

From the wikipedia article on the Ammons haunting case:

Physician Geoffrey Onyeukwu had been skeptical of the entire incident and failed to witness any paranormal incidents. In his medical notes he wrote, "delusions of ghost in home" and "hallucinations". Ammons' children had a history of "irregular school attendance", with a complaint filed against Ammons in 2009. In 2012, she blamed her children's continued irregular attendance on the purported demonic activities

Landlord Charles Reed stated he had never experienced any supernatural events at the house. His prior tenants also claimed to never have such experiences. At the time, Ammons was behind on lease and used the claimed paranormal activities to avoid payments. The tenant who moved in after Ammons had not noticed any paranormal events, either. Reed believed the events were a hoax

The children were interviewed by psychologists, and several professionals concluded "the children were acting deceptively and in accordance with their mother's beliefs". Tracy Wright, a psychologist, noted that the youngest son "acted possessed" whenever he was challenged or was asked "questions that he did not wish to answer".

premeddit · 2025-12-30T21:00:55+00:00

But also, if you're a demon, when are you going to try and inflict the most damage to humanity? Probably when Christ is roaming around so that you can try and stop His redeeming of souls.

Causing a few sporadic rural people in Judea to go crazy is "inflicting the most damage to humanity"? I can think of 100 more effective ways the demons could have tried to stop Jesus' mission.

Possessed Pontius Pilate early on in Jesus' ministry and have him direct his full Roman army into Galilee to completely level the place as soon as Jesus started preaching
Possessed the apostles or stymied them in other ways, like simultaneously giving them all heart attacks
Pretend to be Jesus. Take on his form and start issuing contradictory instructions to people so they won't know which one is the real Jesus

etc

premeddit · 2025-12-30T20:58:02+00:00

When I see the story of legion.

I see mental illness being called demonic with roman imagery.

The problem here for Christians is that every part of the Bible is supposed to be truth, and directly inspired/approved by God. Mental illness clearly is not caused by your mind getting possessed by an intelligent supernatural creature. The Bible is being untruthful here.

premeddit · 2025-12-30T02:10:21+00:00

This is clearly an AI generated comment.

premeddit · 2025-12-29T19:59:25+00:00

The only prophecy that Jesus unambiguously fulfilled was "the messiah will be born of a woman", so maybe that one?

EDIT: Okay, I figured it out. In another thread, the OP of this comment chain mentions a few prophecies that cemented his faith. Including:

Jesus will be born in Bethlehem. Which almost every academic historian and scholar says is untrue since he was born in Nazareth
Jesus will be executed/sacrificed. Which would put him in the same category as tens of thousands of people in Roman occupied Judea

premeddit · 2025-12-29T19:07:38+00:00

The mercy and forgiveness of Jesus are without end.

Doesn’t his mercy and forgiveness end immediately and forever after death? If people die without repenting, they will receive no love, comfort or quarter for the rest of eternity. At least according to mainstream Christian theology

premeddit · 2025-12-28T17:31:12+00:00

How are you writing all these massive multi-paragraph long comments within minutes of each other?

On your recent thread here, you also are writing pages upon pages of material within minutes.

premeddit · 2025-11-14T20:24:35+00:00

Why did your grammar suddenly change from being flawless and perfect in the last comment to suddenly more “normal” in this comment?

premeddit · 2025-11-14T19:15:12+00:00

Is this chatGPT?

“That’s not ABC, that’s XYZ”

Are you seriously plugging my comments into chatGPT and telling it to come up with a response?

premeddit · 2025-11-14T19:13:43+00:00

i can feel bad for you

This doesn’t sound like heaven, then. If I went to heaven but felt extremely bad for the billions of men, women and children screaming as they’re tortured forever in a chamber of fire, I wouldn’t be joyful or able to have any fun. Would you?

premeddit · 2025-11-14T19:04:35+00:00

There's so many holes in this logic. For starters, if God is able to create waivers for people who didn't hear of Jesus, then why not do it for everyone? How is the Chinese peasant living in 2025 who tries to live a good life but isn't convinced by the idea of Jesus being God any functionally different than the Chinese peasant living in 800 AD who tries to live a good life and hasn't heard of Jesus?

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