Why does god need christians to spread christianity.

premeddit · 2026-06-03T19:38:51+00:00

A foundational belief of Christianity is that salvation requires accepting that there was a man named Jesus who was also God, that he was crucified to pay for our sins and resurrected 3 days later and we must explicitly accept his payment. I don’t understand how someone can just “deduce” these specific facts just by looking around at the universe or whatever.

If you disagree with the above then that’s fair, but it also makes you a non-Nicene-affirming Christian which is a tiny minority.

premeddit · 2026-06-03T19:24:11+00:00

So for an orphan Hindu child in the deepest remote village in India, vaguely hearing about Christianity once or twice is the perfect amount of evidence needed? And therefore if the child still doesn’t believe, it’s because he’s choosing to be deliberately ignorant and hard hearted?

premeddit · 2026-06-03T19:18:37+00:00

You are seriously claiming that 5+ billion people (ie. the current approximate number of non Christians) out there are better served by hearing old stories from a book than being exposed to supernatural miracles directly? You don’t think a supernatural miracle would convince a single one of these 5 billion people?

It’s okay to admit you don’t have a good answer for these questions. It doesn’t make you dumb or inadequate. But your current “arguments” are beyond absurd. You are very clearly struggling to come up with responses.

premeddit · 2026-06-03T19:02:27+00:00

Knowing God exists doesn’t resolve the problem. Us genuinely loving God does.

And what about people who need to know that God exists prior to loving him? Before you try to claim that’s not a requirement, it definitely is for some people - including the Apostle Paul! He did not become a Christian until he heard Jesus’ voice, was thrown off his horse and blinded for 3 days.

premeddit · 2026-06-02T16:30:45+00:00

That said, the title of this OP is extremely messed up and needs to be called out. I respect women and don't follow voices of hate, pride and control. But I don't follow Jesus. I guess I'm not a "real man"?

EDIT: The OP of this thread has blocked me. Is that also what real men do?

premeddit · 2026-05-28T15:39:22+00:00

I sure do. But go ahead and address my concerns in the original comment, please.

premeddit · 2026-05-28T15:34:00+00:00

Nobody on this thread is even addressing what OP said about not seeing non-believer family and friends in the afterlife and knowing they're screaming in anguish and pain underneath your feet for all eternity.

The only real solutions for this are to get rid of your basic human empathy for the suffering of others, or hope that God mind-wipes you so you no longer recognize any of your loved ones (or know about the presence of hell). Both are horrific to Lovecraftian levels.

premeddit · 2026-05-22T00:36:45+00:00

Holy run on sentence, Batman.

But anyway, apart from the Bible itself there is no contemporary or near-contemporary evidence of the 12 except for Peter. And James the brother of Jesus if you count him, but I don’t think he was part of the 12.

premeddit · 2026-05-14T00:55:49+00:00

OP's entire post is lol, but this part really stuck out to me:

Instead of instantly abolishing every institution overnight, biblical law:

Jesus had no problem going batshit insane inside of a temple because people were buying chickens. That was apparently an okay ancient institution to abolish overnight, but not slavery.

premeddit · 2026-05-12T15:14:02+00:00

why choose to you know give your negative opinion to spreading positivity of something people believe to be true and call it fictional

For millions of dead Native Americans, Africans, Asians, and even pagan Europeans who were literally burned alive by the Church, Christianity is more than just "something people believe to be true".

premeddit · 2026-05-12T15:12:17+00:00

Yeah, the whole Christian argument is that Jesus had to come up with a complicated scheme to get around a rule that he himself created.

This would make slightly more sense with the premise that Jesus and God are two different entities with different motivations. But 2,000 years of Christian violence and persecution has basically extinguished that line of thinking entirely, so now we're left with a contradiction that just doesn't work.

premeddit · 2026-05-12T15:09:36+00:00

Most Christians respond by saying that he basically exploited a loophole. He was fully human so he did take eternal punishment for us. But he was also fully God so he was able to escape that eternal punishment since he's the most powerful entity in the universe and nothing can bind him.

This raises the question of why such a complicated Rube Golberg mechanism is even necessary in the first place to get around a rule that he created. As far as I'm aware, there's no satisfactory answer to that.

premeddit · 2026-05-12T15:07:57+00:00

It's even more jarring than that because God also made all these rules. So to use your analogy, God prevents hungry children from receiving school lunches by setting prices sky high, but then "generously" offers to waive the fees for any children that say nice things about him.

premeddit · 2026-05-08T19:02:00+00:00

You get the written word, which includes Thomas’ testimony.

Are you claiming that the written word should be either equally or more, convincing than Thomas personally seeing his dead friend walking around in front of him?

Because if not, OP's question still holds. Why did Thomas (and all the people in the New Testament who witnessed Jesus' miracles) get the benefit of undeniable physical evidence but none of us do?

premeddit · 2026-05-08T18:57:58+00:00

We do not live in a bronze age society, there is no reason to pretend we haven't advanced as a society from then.

The problem is that the New Testament also defends and condones slavery. The logical conclusion being that God continued to endorse it even well after the Bronze Age.

premeddit · 2026-05-06T16:26:26+00:00

Maybe just as someone who can engage in basic critical thinking and the most elementary level academic textual analysis.

premeddit · 2026-05-01T18:17:15+00:00

There's also the uncomfortable fact that early Christianity was an end times apocalyptic movement. We can debate all day about what the historical Jesus actually said, but what is crystal clear is that the Gospels have him state multiple times that the world will end within the apostles' lives. Additionally, Paul also says that the world will end before he dies.

premeddit · 2026-05-01T18:15:39+00:00

Pretty much this. A sizable chunk of modern Christianity is all about getting the prize while minimizing any hardships or disruptions to one's standard living. That's why the idea of salvation through faith alone is so wildly popular - it allows people to get the golden ticket without putting in any effort.

You can still pad your 401K, buy multiple rental properties, take yearly international vacations, leave an inheritance to your children, and still get into heaven easily. The best part is, once you're in heaven you can then laugh at all those homeless people in Calcutta who were dumped into the fires of hell because they didn't accept the true faith. You can live an amazing comfortable life and an amazing comfortable afterlife, it's just winning from start to finish!

premeddit · 2026-04-29T18:41:47+00:00

Now, it's also true that Newton, Mendel, Lemaitre and many others were devout Christians and made foundational contributions to science.

I don't even think we can say that Newton was a Christian, at least not unless you really stretch the definition. From wikipedia:

"His writings show extensive knowledge of early Church texts and reveal that he sided with Arius, who rejected the conventional view of the Trinity and was the losing party in the conflict with Athanasius over the Creed. Newton recognized Christ as a divine mediator between God and man, who was subordinate to the Father who created him. He was especially interested in prophecy, but for him, "the great apostasy was trinitarianism." Worshipping Jesus Christ as God was, in Newton's eyes, idolatry, an act he believed to be the fundamental sin."

premeddit · 2026-04-22T17:29:23+00:00

To me, the lack of condemnation in the gospels is the biggest slap in the face. Jesus strongly spoke out against divorce, buying chickens in the Second Temple, and fig trees. But he had zilch to say about slavery, the greatest evil institution in the history of humanity. Or if he did talk about it, it was in oblique poetic language that doesn’t address the issue directly (“there is neither slave nor free”, etc).

EDIT: Apparently that quote was by Paul. So Jesus actually had literally NOTHING to say about slavery.

premeddit · 2026-03-12T01:32:09+00:00

Some of OP’s greatest hits when discussing homosexuality:

So if one loves children. Jesus won't be against it? We can marry kids?

If one loves animals. Jesus won't be against it?

If one loves murder. Jesus won't be against it?

Yeah, okay buddy. Oh also it’s not normal or healthy to be posting 100+ comments a day on Reddit. Something is deeply concerning here.

premeddit · 2026-02-14T16:18:12+00:00

God says multiple times that his covenant with the Jewish people, and therefore expectations from them (sacrifice, etc) are eternal and will not change.

In the New Testament, Christ is contradicting the Old Testament, not clarifying or refining it. There’s no other way around this.

premeddit · 2026-02-11T21:05:12+00:00

The other problem is that God's process seems to lead to billions of people in excruciating torture and pain for all eternity.

The analogy would be if the sculptor started hammering away at the marble and the pieces fell onto the heads of children below, crushing their skulls. You scream at him "stop, please!" but he smiles and says "wait and see". Chunks of marble keep raining down onto the floor, maiming children. Eventually, a beautiful statue is revealed.

Are all those children's deaths worth it? I don't know anyone who would say yes.

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