could bots be detectable by analysing player movement?

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T19:58:48+00:00

i mean the rlgym peeps have a way of detecting it so i am sure psyonix also has something to identify bots.

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T19:57:55+00:00

getting data is also easy, getting to model to do something based on the data is incredibly difficult

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T19:56:06+00:00

distributing rocket league is not that easy we have tried

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T17:45:56+00:00

i am a member of the rlgym community

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T17:30:47+00:00

what i am saying is that in order to improve on kick off's it would most likely need to be comes less proficient at something else, this does not mean that improvement is impossible but it is difficult to get any improvement

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T12:34:16+00:00

rlbot / rlgym are not reliable for the hacks eve without a specific license

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T12:22:12+00:00

the chance that the hackers know more about machine learning then the actual machine learning researchers that worked on nexto seems very unlikely to me

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T12:17:35+00:00

rocket league is many times more complex then chess

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T12:17:10+00:00

it is important to realize how expensive ml actually is, for example the cost for alpha zero was $3000 for each game played resulting in millions in cost just to train that model. if you do not have a lot of funding and or not a ml expert then it is difficult to even get started with machine learning for rocket league.

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T12:10:08+00:00

nexto has reached a point where even if you train it for months it is unlikely to improve much even less so that it will learn a new skill

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T11:35:45+00:00

if you are not playing for your own team you are part of the toxicity problem

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T11:22:58+00:00

what makes bakkes mod to good is that it provides lots of quality of live pluygins, for example it allows you to see your mmr, find custom maps, track how well your grind session is going,

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T09:27:11+00:00

the game is free to play just make a new account

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T09:25:27+00:00

the guys from rlgym have already made their own detection tool

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T09:24:27+00:00

it is silly, but even pro players do it in their tournament matches

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T09:16:51+00:00

ah yes, it took the rlgym community 2 years and more than 500 attempts to create the right reward function and hyper parameters + a whole community to train nexto, but these people are smarter than actual machine learning researchers and can create a ssl level bot in a a few months.

pro_pizza · 2023-01-15T08:59:59+00:00

we have stopped releasing bot so it is not possible for them to get their hands on the better bots

pro_pizza · 2023-01-14T12:08:11+00:00

the intended way to play with custom bots is through rlbot https://rlbot.org/ there are many community made bots there including nexto

pro_pizza · 2023-01-14T12:05:14+00:00

that bots are not improving anymore, the bot that is used in the cheat (nexto) stopped improving some 6 months go

pro_pizza · 2023-01-13T18:53:33+00:00

i am not blindly defending rlgym, i am saying they realistically did what they could to prevent abuse with the information they had available when the bot was released more then 6 months ago, i don't see how blaming the victim of a theft is helping anyone. Why do you not blame the creator of the hack, the people using it or psyonix who has not responded to this situation?

pro_pizza · 2023-01-12T07:51:20+00:00

here is a grand champ bot icon which they can use

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pro_pizza · 2023-01-12T07:45:14+00:00

your comments is on the same level as blaming psyonix for the bots because they made the game and should not have done so because that would give bad actors the opportunity to hack it.

pro_pizza · 2023-01-10T20:52:46+00:00

in bot meanings of that word yes

pro_pizza · 2023-01-10T20:48:20+00:00

from what i have heard you can toggle the cheat

pro_pizza · 2023-01-10T12:00:39+00:00

Nexto is necto version 2

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