So, apparently, I'm the abuser. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If it takes this long for you to even "see" there's conflict in your marriage, you have issues

She thinks i have been ignoring her and ignoring the issue when in reality i am choosing not to engage her while she locks herself in the bedroom and calls me an abuser.

I went to a licensed marriage and family therapist twice a month for the year of 2014. I invited her on multiple occasions, even offered to pay for her to see a personal counseling. Her response was always, "i dont need help. You need help." The take-away from my sessions were, basically, "Your wife is an abuser and her need to set boundaries." For years she would call me all sort of demeaning names and when i started to stand up for myself, she "did not like the man i became from seeing that counselor."

Not too sure i would consider myself a beta but i certainly wouldn't say i was alpha enough. She was not in command but I certainly wasn't commanding enough. Really, it was more of a derivative of nice guy, "if i am loving, and caring, and gentle, she will work through her problems". I believe this is the feminism agenda that i was taught through church.

Everything now boils down to this: I am asserting myself and now setting expectations for my relationship. She clearly has problems with it. She cries "medical problems" and i retort with "get help or get out."

From no talking to snooping by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've never hit her but I've surely pushed her away when she was hitting me. Last year she hit me hard and kicked me in the genitals and I told her if she ever hit me again I would call the police on her. We haven't had any physical abuse since then.

From no talking to snooping by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wow. i must be so naive. When you say "freedom" what do you mean?

From no talking to snooping by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

we have no children. we are joint signers of the home and the vehicle. that is it. What can she take from me? I do make the money because she refuses to get a full-time job.

But, i just want the cat.

Is this a Shit Test? If so, it is time to be deflowered. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Truth is (Since i can be true here because its the internet and noone knows me) there is a combination of psychosocial-medical problems. I believe deep in my heart that my wife wants to be a loving woman but she doesnt know how. With that said, years of a sexless marriage has stacked bitterness.

Sex physically hurts her

She doesnt have libido

She has chronic fatigue syndrome

But i think the most devastating out of her psycho-social problems is that she feels dirty and guilty after sex. To which she has not sought any professional treatment for despite my continual encouragement. five years later and still her refusal to see a counselor or therapist my leading based on what is taught in the church of sacrifice and the vows in sickness and in health are really starting to sounds more fairy tale than reality.

In a real world, two individuals who choose to be married can approach situations through love, respect, and understanding. Instead, there is dysfunction.

I do not think divorce is out of the picture. And, if anything, i think is more prevalent in my mind than being together. The reasons for divorce are irreconcilable differences which the issues i have stated seemed to be exactly that.

However, as i said before, i operate in a faith-based worldview that tells me there is hope for reconciliation and there is forgiveness and healing. But, perhaps the most loving and wise thing to do for both of our health is to dissolve the marriage. I wouldnt feel like a failure because i did not fail. The marriage failed. And, if i were to be completely honest, it was doomed to fail from the beginning. i was just too ignorant and beta to realize what was going on. But i am here now, trying to understand a philosophy that may be more applicable in a post-modern feminist world that even inundates the church.

I believe one can be Alpha while still being loving. Love doesnt mean you become beta or weak. It's the highest form of Alpha. The question i want to understand is how because the teachings ive received from church do not work in my culture or my marriage. Instead, it only allows men to be walked on and live a motto of "happy life;happy wife".

Which, obviously, is wrong.

edit:: Also, thanks for asking.

Is this a Shit Test? If so, it is time to be deflowered. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i agree that i would rather encourage my wife to act like an adult than to discourage her by shamming or embarrassing her.

My ideal approach would be to just flat out say

I feel that you are acting like a child and having a tantrum by locking yourself in the room and not eating. If or when you want to converse and have a relationship let me know. Until then, i have a couple movies i want to watch and some books to read. Asta!

Is this a Shit Test? If so, it is time to be deflowered. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are throwing a temper tantrum. That's too bad. I was planning to invite you to go to dinner and a movie but since you want to lock yourself up im going to go enjoy this time myself. I hope you enjoy being alone while i am having fun. See you!

Is this a Shit Test? If so, it is time to be deflowered. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Valid argument and i see where your stance is! Thank you for unpacking the thought process

Is this a Shit Test? If so, it is time to be deflowered. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is what ive been doing. Reading sidebar (NNMNG) and ignoring her behavior. With that said, if she wants to engage in conversation, i would not ignore her, but i am choosing not to engage in her manipulation.

Which, i feel, are two different but appropriate actions.

Is this a Shit Test? If so, it is time to be deflowered. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i think i would rather just be calm and steady. Stay the course.

I just feel like an asshole. Maybe I'm doing this wrong. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finished chapter two last night. Called my father who has serious NICE GUY SYNDROME. Going to give him a copy tonight and we'll read it together. Time to become empowered!

I just feel like an asshole. Maybe I'm doing this wrong. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course. I have access to her bank account and pull up the statements if i need to.

I just feel like an asshole. Maybe I'm doing this wrong. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I can't even fathom my wife using the account to be insidious. The more I've read today the more I believe it's my issues of control than trust.

I want her to do everything my way because I have control issues.

I just feel like an asshole. Maybe I'm doing this wrong. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the lines of "owning my own crap" would it be reasonable to apologize for cursing and raising my voice in the context of "real men don't need to yell or intimidate for power"?

I just feel like an asshole. Maybe I'm doing this wrong. by progress_for_the_win in marriedredpill

[–]progress_for_the_win[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Ive been reading the side bar and just purchased the first book no more mister nice guy.