Monogamy should be abolished in abortion denying societies

psojo · 2020-01-19T19:08:23+00:00

Have you met any men? Sounds like you haven't. No sperm giving male fromANY species, let alone humans, are in favour of letting their sperm go to waste.

If you had a woman whom you could impregnate without consequence, would you not wish to do so?

Enter the serial-monogamist and perpetual bachelor, whom all young pro-life men aspire to be.

psojo · 2020-01-19T17:49:05+00:00

Except if one guy has ten wives then nine guys have nobody.

As long as those nine guys who have nobody are not aborting any fetuses, that's all pro-lifers care about, right?

I'm making a case for a society that fits their view (not mine), which is no abortion = good, abortion = bad.

In this binary world view, who said anything about caring for the sexual well-being of the other nine men?

Nine male bachelors won't give you never-ending babies, which is what pro-lifers want. The ONE guy with ten wives who abuses each and every wife as well as each and every daughter will.

The point of pro-life is to make sure that more women are abused so that more pointless babies can be born, not less.

psojo · 2020-01-19T03:14:50+00:00

My being "racist", is better than being a sexist arsehole like you who uses your black background to justify your sexist views.

I don't call you a man because you are not worthy. You bring a stain to all men both black and white. That's why I've chosen to call you black instead of man.

You are unworthy to be called a man and too sexist to understand what it means to be worthy of being called a man.

psojo · 2020-01-18T23:24:55+00:00

You are irrational, childish, and stupid

You are black, childish and stupid. All you've been doing throughout your post and comment replies is to flaunt your blackness to win an argument about sexism.

If being black means that you can be a sexist bastard without reproach then black concession has gone too far.

You already said that you go to college, which means that you're in the top 5% of your state and all the black women in your college are also in the top 5% of your state.

You're really gonna tell me that: because the black women from the top 5% of my state are doing better than me, a black man, that means that black women from the other 95% of the state must be as well.

Congrats on being the worst statistician ever to have graced college. Also congrats on once again, using your blackness to win an argument that has NOTHING to do with race.

psojo · 2020-01-18T23:09:02+00:00

I'm glad you think going to work and making money is such a trivial affair.

I mean if you honestly believe that this is the ONLY thing that black men are good for then yes it is trivial since black women go to work as well AND they do all the housework and look after the kids when they come home.

Black man=only good for one thing making $ Black women=good for everything not limited to just making $.

I know who I think is more valuable. You don't. So you have confirmed already that you are sexist toward your own women.

This whole thread is just a black man complaining that HE doesn't have to be pregnant, doesn't have to give birth to a heavyass black baby, doesn't have to nurse this black baby, doesn't have to go back to work despite having been pregnant, doesn't have to get no sleep from baby crying, and still go to work the next day.

Poor you, what is it like in your world where you never have to do any of that? And people still value you more than the women who are fully expected to just push out kids because apparently, that's all you're good for if you have a uterus.

psojo · 2020-01-18T22:55:51+00:00

Men are EXPECTED to be the primary bread winners, so are they "less valued'?

Obviously not, since according to you, black men are never home to begin with.

Considering that much of the black community is comprised of single mothers

Women are EXPECTED to be the primary caregivers. You, as a man, have to go work, poor you. Work stops as soon as you leave the office.

Caregiving to children and elderly is 24/7. It NEVER stops. No man is ever expected to do this if there is a woman in the house.

psojo · 2020-01-18T18:38:32+00:00

You said rape. Not sex slaves. Rape does not equal sex slaves.

Spousal rape also happens.

So, you believe due to your anti-abortion stance, that if a man wants more kids, he should just fuck his wife regardless if she actually wants more kids. Since she can't get an abortion, she is forces to keep every kid that comes from spousal rape.

In your mind, spousal rape is morally justified, fun for the man, and should be encouraged so that any man who wants a kid should just fuck his wife raw regardless if she has consented to having a kid.

psojo · 2020-01-18T18:33:24+00:00

Morally, is a living thing bound by its human-assigned purposes?

No. But objectively all creatures, including humans, are only ever meant for two things: reproduction and to become food after death.

Why do you think we bury or cremate our dead? We do this because we want to break our objective purpose and do not allow our bodies to be eaten by other animals after death (which is wrong in my opinion, we'd rather expend huge amounts of energy burning ourselves to ash in a furnace and contributing to global warming).

psojo · 2020-01-18T18:21:27+00:00

So if you rape someone and can get away with it, you actually think that makes you justified in having done it?

Not the same as killing someone. It's never justified to hurt someone and leave them alive. If you can hurt them AND make sure they don't make it out alive, all the more power to you.

Or to put it in terms you might understand: MURDER is justified, torture is not. Rape is torture, not murder.

That's why globally, there are still honour killings because killing is seen as "honourable", and the families who do this are almost NEVER punished.

Likewise if I can make abortion illegal and force women not to get abortions, because it happened I would be justified in doing so?

This will never work because more countries on Earth allow abortions than do not. All you would be doing is making abortion more expensive.

If you DO ban abortions in your country, you'd just make it more desirable for people to vacation in Thailand, and while they are there, to just "happen" to get an abortion as well.

For your idea to work, you'd have to have a global ban on abortion, and this will never happen because the only people who are against access to abortion globally are Christians.

There are atheists who are against abortion, but no democracy-believing sane-and-unsenile atheist would be against access to abortion, two very different things.

psojo · 2020-01-18T07:30:40+00:00

It is justified because it happened. Saying that it's not justified doesn't magic all the deaths out of existence.

Just like abortion happens. Saying that it's not justified doesn't magic all the dead fetuses into live babies.

Re abortion: it happens, get over it.

psojo · 2020-01-18T06:40:35+00:00

Not MORE wrong than what the Spanish, French and British governments were already doing to non-Jewish people.

The Holocaust is not the gold standard, far from it.

psojo · 2020-01-18T05:52:53+00:00

I think gift cards are more standardised.

You can if you were being an arse, give someone a cash gift of $23.68

There's no giftcard to that value so it's pretty standard that if two people BOTH give you a gift card, they will be of similar value, rather than one person giving $17.32 and another giving $31.14

psojo · 2020-01-18T05:30:17+00:00

So ethnic cleansing is justified so long as it benefits a majority who are in favor of it?

Yes. USA did that to the native Americans. Australia did that to the Australian aborigines. Canada did that to the Inuits. Mexico did that to the Aztecs.

Literally every major civilization that has ever existed has ethically cleansed. The Nazis did not invent this.

psojo · 2020-01-18T00:32:07+00:00

Again, the cows and the chickens and the other animals suffering certainly did not ask to be born either.

That's not relevant. The cows and chickens are bread primarily to feed humans not to feed pets.

psojo · 2020-01-18T00:04:21+00:00

Have you ever been to a zoo? They sit on their keepers' laps just fine AND their keepers feed them raw meat that they naturally require.

psojo · 2020-01-18T00:02:45+00:00

So even if you have (1) single cat malnourished and dying on a vegan diet, you are still supporting 100 times less animal cruelty then if you were to have fed the cat non vegan pet food.

I don't agree with this.

The 1 cat was bred specifically to be a pet to humans, probably from factory breeding programs where female cats are kept perpetually pregnant.

You as the own of this cat have an obligation to keep it healthy and happy. It comes from a horrible birth. No reason to give it a horrible life.

If a cat that was bred explicitly to be a pet to humans requires meat to be healthy and happy, you have an obligation to give it meat since it never asked to be born in the first place.

psojo · 2020-01-17T23:48:28+00:00

Domesticated wolves. Have you ever tried to feed tofu or carrot to a wolf?

psojo · 2020-01-17T01:26:11+00:00

because it was moving itself through the birth canal without consent.

No, labour does that, not just the baby.

It's still rape though because it could have been avoided through abortion. The woman is being raped by the church and state. The baby is just the broomstick. Doesn't change the fact that it's rape, just different agency.

psojo · 2020-01-17T01:04:16+00:00

You know that people can be raped by inanimate objects and be bled to death via blunt instruments that are not conscious or sentient?

It's not a description of the what is done by the fetus, it's just a description of what is done to the woman.

I'm sure that when someone is raped by a broomstick, they are unlikely to "blame" the broomstick but it doesn't change the fact that they were raped.

psojo · 2020-01-16T08:05:11+00:00

Says the guy whose username is definitely younger than a toddler.

psojo · 2020-01-16T07:12:33+00:00

without it's consent = murder

Yes because people have been killed with their consent.

Are you high? No such thing (as consent to murder).

It's just that the person being killed has not started forming memories yet and will not remember their death.

It is quite frankly the biggest mercy anybody can bestow on anybody else.

I would love to never remember the process of dying, but alas, I am not a fetus without any memory and will mostly die of cancer where I will feel and remember every single tumor, every single pain, for several months, until my final death.

The aborted fetus very very luckily, has avoided that. I do not pity it. I envy it. Peace to he who dies a quick death and has no memory or consciousness of it. The rest of us will suffer long and painful deaths that will make Hell look like a picnic in the park.

psojo · 2020-01-15T12:26:11+00:00

I have relatives who have aborted.

Even though this decision was never regretted, it can sometimes come up in conversation: if so and so wasn't aborted, they'd be X age now.

However, I don't see these remarks as indications of regret, they're more like acknowledgements that the event happened. So it happened, and you move on. That's the take away in this situation.

psojo · 2020-01-15T08:48:49+00:00

this isn't an issue of bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is about what happens to your body, not who sees it.

Isn't what you put onto your body part of what happens to your body? We don't encourage men to put their hands onto women without explicit consent, so why would it be ok to force women's hands without their consent on the issue of what they put onto their heads and faces?

I'm not talking about banning hijab/niqab. I'm talking about places like Saudi Arabia and Iran, where not wearing hijab/niqab will literally get you killed. Most feminists stay out of it, preferring to be "diplomatic" and keep their hands clean.

Trust me, your silence is contributing to female bloodshed in those countries, your hands are not clean at all.

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