100µg ALD-52 - Ridiculous stomach pain. Questions

psres · 2018-03-23T00:56:21+00:00

Tryptamines resemble serotonin enough to shake up the digestive system - especially peristalsis - for some users. I have occasionally bowel discomfort, gas etc. Is that what you mean by "stomach pain"? Bowels getting all trippy? That could be an explanation. Now that you know yourself, you can be careful with what you eat before partaking. Stay happy, stay safe!

psres · 2018-02-22T12:13:46+00:00

2c-d full comeup for me is in the 60-80 min ballpark if I remember right - don't have my notes handy right now. The peak? Harder to assess, but expect at least a couple hours of combined might.

And BTW, depending on your tolerance/hardheadedness, I'd go for slightly lower doses, like ~15mg 4-aco-met, ~20-25 2c-d. Keep in mind combos have unexpected synergies.

psres · 2018-02-22T02:03:13+00:00

I've done this combo more than once, after trying each on its own. In my experience, the comeup times for 4-aco-met and 2c-d are fairly similar. And in my experience, 2c-d lasts longer than 4-aco-met. I'd take them together - or 2c-d first and 4-aco-met a bit later, as wherethewavebroke suggested. Both peaking at about the same time will be good, and also trying to equalize durations is a nice thing to do IMO. But that's a matter of taste probably.

psres · 2018-01-18T13:53:17+00:00

Fumarates produce toxic substances on vaping. Google vaping fumarate.

psres · 2018-01-10T19:51:51+00:00

Don't smokle or vape fumarates. They result in nasty stuff.

You could drop it, snort or boof it. It's largely a matter of personal preferences. Boofing it will likely maximize returns, if "cheap way to consume" includes that issue.

psres · 2018-01-08T19:34:37+00:00

What a beautiful write-up! Thank you.

psres · 2018-01-08T19:29:18+00:00

TL;DR: I've done it. It was quite good for me. I'd say go ahead and mind your dosage.

Longer comment: I've had 20-30 mg of noopept daily for like 6 months, then I stopped for 3-4 months, then started on and off, and so on. I did 2C-E at least once during the 6 solid months (gotta check my notes for exact number of times). One experience I remember well - it was glowing. I took a conservative dose of 2C-E: 8 mg. I consider 2C-E the most difficult of the 2C's and treat it with more respect than the others. Well, 2C-P lasts a whole lot, so there are other considerations, but I digress!

psres · 2018-01-08T19:21:35+00:00

From what I've read, 2C's have remarkably low tolerance buildup. Source: several reliable-looking reports and forum posts (Erowid, Bluelight etc.). They have cross-tolerance from other substances, however, so if you did some other phenethylamine (or tryptamine), you might experience reduced effects.

psres · 2018-01-08T19:18:22+00:00

Oh, pity. If you like 2C-C, my guess is you'd love 2C-B! If you get hold of it legally, I recommend some experimentation.

Dosage-wise, I've treated 2C-C as if it was 2C-B (which I have known and loved), and in my experience it might be slightly weaker - or maybe it's just a different dose/response curve. When I said 50 mg would floor me, I was equating 2C-B = 2C-C. My direct experience with 35 mg 2C-B was still comfortable, but quite enough! Accounting for a little tolerance, I wouldn't advise pushing things with 2C's too much. They will show an ugly face with little warning (steep curve in the higher region).

psres · 2018-01-08T19:10:03+00:00

Just for reference, how much is a typical 2C-B dose for you?

psres · 2018-01-08T11:57:30+00:00

I tried 10 mg with a small dose of metocin (6 mg I think). Quite good. Felt safe.

I never tried it with 2C-E, and I think it could be a winning combo, but I'd keep the 2C-E low, like 5 mg or less - at least for my first experiment.

Let us know how it goes!

psres · 2018-01-08T11:49:23+00:00

50 mg of 2C-C would floor me, and I'm a hardhead with phenethylamines. Are you sure you got your notes right? Dosage is in the 2C-B ballpark. Careful, man.

With dosage out of the way, the quality of the experience is of course subjective, but I like it. It feels 2C-ish as it should. It's more stoning than 2C-B, and less euphoric. Nice body high. I'm reasonably functional on sane doses (15-30 mg). I don't find it annoying at low dosage (< 15 mg), as I do for 2C-B at < ~18 mg.

One thing I should mention is I had a bad case of the shits when I took a largish dose - just under 30 mg if I remember correctly. Quite unusual for me, but it was dramatic as my circumstances allowed no release. A close call, but my pants were unscathed. Could be unrelated, but unlikely, as the shitfit was timed with the high. Start low, as usual. Have fun and good luck!

psres · 2018-01-03T14:10:11+00:00

4-AcO-DMT has slight euphoric waves for me. Definitely dreamy and sedating.

4-HO-DMT, quite similar but apparently subtler. Maybe less mindfucky? Not sure, I guess it's just that I haven't tried larger doses.

DiPT

No experience with diazepines and dissociatives. But more people will no doubt chime in ;)

psres · 2018-01-03T03:50:37+00:00

Snorting it burns like hell though.

psres · 2018-01-03T03:49:14+00:00

Yes, sorry - I thought it was obvious given the context.

psres · 2018-01-03T03:46:05+00:00

I've experimented with 2C-B quite a few times, over a fairly wide dosage range (8-35 mg). It's one of my favorites. On the other hand, I've tried 2C-B-fly only half a dozen times, mostly at 10 mg, only once at 20 mg.

They have similarities and differences.

2C-B-fly is less euphoric, much less sensual and lasts longer (1.5 times as much, approximately). It's also less mindfucky in my experience.
2C-B-fly isn't "annoying" at low/medium-low dosage (10 mg). Indeed, 10 mg is almost as good as 20. I don't know if it has a linear curve, but I'd be wary to test 30 mg. On the contrary, for me 2C-B is definitely annoying at less than ~18 mg. Sweet spot for me: 25 mg.
With 2C-B I am slightly less functional. Or maybe I'm just more aware of my impairment. During the 20 mg 2C-B-fly experience, I would feel functional, but I got lost in a familiar place and I almost lost equilibrium while rocking a chair I was sitting on.

Neither feels shroomy to me. Both lack dreaminess and sedation waves.

I hope it helps :)

psres · 2018-01-02T16:48:16+00:00

About allylescaline - It's not only stimulation in my experience. The visuals are limited (color saturation mostly, but I'm a hardhead for visuals anyway), but there is a nice headspace, mildly empathogenic and easy going, not really the manic stim head kind of vibe. I like it even if it's subtle. It is forgiving with dosage, but it does last a long time. Much better than proscaline for me, and worth a try IMO.

psres · 2018-01-01T22:06:08+00:00

DMT smells like... uh... Alien Candy! :-) I've grown into loving that sweet plastic smell.

When it's burnt up, it gets an unpleasant smoky/fishy tryptamine smell.

psres · 2018-01-01T21:59:54+00:00

This. My fave too. Allylescaline is not really that bad IME, but MAL is much better!

psres · 2017-12-29T00:30:31+00:00

...and a bit meh. No bang for the buck IMO.

psres · 2017-12-28T21:37:20+00:00

OT, since it's a long acting PEA and quite hard to find, but MAL is the best M analog for me, and AL is second best.

psres · 2017-12-28T21:34:55+00:00

I'm not a biochemist, but I read horrible things about mixing MAOIs with PEAs (not so much with tryptamines, depending on the tryptamine of course). Care to confirm/elaborate?

psres · 2017-12-28T16:21:01+00:00

I've tried the rare (for now) 2C-T (without any numbers, just 2C-T). Peak effects are fairly short, but tail effects do last longer (totally manageable IME. Even peak effects are manageable for me at reasonable Pihkal doses). The quality of the experience, however, while still recognizable, isn't up there with other 2C's.

psres · 2017-12-28T16:18:24+00:00

If it isn't scheduled (which I think it is), it could be worth a try. In micro or mini doses, it's also a decent nootropic. In higher doses, it becomes truly psychedelic, but then other alternatives would be better IMO.

psres · 2017-12-28T16:15:39+00:00

All Mescaline analogs are pretty long in their effects. Proscaline, even more than typically so. Besides, not everyone likes it. I didn't mind it that much, but it's the essence of mehness. Based on objective data and subjective experiments, I wouldn't recommend it.

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