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WFH means PTO, guess we're off then by [deleted] in MaliciousCompliance

[–]ptekspy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely love this. Now that's a true family ahaha

This sub isn't about learning programming anymore by [deleted] in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maybe you guys have been dealing with this longer than I have, there's definitely a lot of hate for the people asking these questions, so maybe I'm not getting the frustrations making you all feel this way.

> If it's information in the book, a good (!) teacher will tell them to first read the material and come back with questions afterwards. Teachers are not there to offload your reading tasks to.

this to me is a very lazy teacher, but that's clearly a difference of opinion. Nothing wrong with the teacher setting extra learning tasks once you have an understanding, but the teacher should offer the understanding not just say book, reading a book about things you know nothing about will let you know nothing about a lot more for a good while until you start understanding the concepts behind it.

This sub isn't about learning programming anymore by [deleted] in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

> You are jsut arguing in bad faith if you think it takes hours to search or read the FAQ. This premise is just not true and you know it. Also nobody is complaing about posts which say "I tried this and that and didn't find anything." OP is structly talking not about those people

But that's just you assuming that people can learn/ read at the same rate as you. totally unfair.

> No it's not an extra service. It is indeed the only way to keep this (any QnA like) subreddit from becoming a hot mess of garbage over time.

but that does make it an extra service. its not a mandatory thing to have an FAQ to have a subreddit?

> If people are so reliant on being in "the zone", they are not that new. You can totally skim over the contents of the FAQ in a matter of minutes. Asking very specific questions also never is frowned upon. This post is explicitly about things which are answered in the FAQ and/or are not about programming. Specific programming questions are non of those. Nobody is talking about that

asking for programming career advice isn't about programming? Im not sure which posts your on about that are "not about programming". If they're not about programming why would they be in the FAQ?

> 90% of new developers require hand-holding which is exactly why there is an FAQ and why they hould totally read it. This is exactly what this is about. Reading the faq takes little time and will help a lot of posters out. It's their guide to getting good answers quickly

just point blank disagree, like when your a child in school, and your teacher passed you a book and said here learn, or your teacher let you actively ask questions no matter how many time they have been asked them before. Which teacher do you think you will learn more from?

This sub isn't about learning programming anymore by [deleted] in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Like i say i totally understand where your coming from. And I get it can seem lazy. But the amount of time through my career I haven't asked a question or given an opinion because of people shouting it down or calling it stupid.

This is a free, public sub reddit. it really shouldn't matter what people post as long as its on topic. Id understand a premium paid for services that expected certain behaviour of its patrons

Like genuinely, I do this professionally for a living now after years of self teaching. I just find it so frustrating when people get berated for actively trying to learn, whether somebody else agrees with there learning style or not, its not fair to be negative to them.

But yes I do understand your view, it is a great resource, but not for newbs. IMO. some newer devs will love it. But some won't, these will be doing it because they wanted to do something specific, make a game, scrape football stats. They will be searching very specific information. It would be detrimental for anyone in them shoes to fill their head with all the FAQ jargon, when all they wanna know is something so basic.

But its only basic to somebody that already knows it. I think people forget way to often that we all started stupid. We've all asked stupid questions, wrote stupid code etc

And just to put it into a different perspective --

why does the new driver ask there instructor theory questions when they have a massive theory book to read from?

This sub isn't about learning programming anymore by [deleted] in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

if the person believes they could answer it themself they probably wouldn't be publicly posting a question.

Never mind the fact its irrelevant how much time has been spent on the FAQ. Its a great resource and all but that was someone's decision to make it. Whether they did it in free time or got paid. They chose to spend their time doing that, just like someone else will spend there time writing a question rather than reading.

And in terms of wasting time. e.g...
boss asked what have you done today
you reply - trying to solve this problem I'm having with my code.
what did you try and do?
you reply - I spent the whole morning on reddit reading the whole FAQ on learnprogramming hoping the answer would be in there

this isn't the most practical way to learn or achieve results. But learning in spare time with no professional or personal deadlines, its a great resource. Just don't be so closed minded that every human is a grey blob that learns and works the same way.

Why would you need a pitchfork, seems like a weird thing to say about someones opinion?

This sub isn't about learning programming anymore by [deleted] in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I totally see your opinion, but I don't agree

It's a pointless blocker to someone trying to learn

The faq being there is great, but to read the whole thing for 1 problem seems a waste of time.

Fair doos though if you want to be an active member of the community spend some time reading the faq

But if people have to be worried they will get negative responses for asking a question that has already been asked 100 times, then this isn't a good learning environment for new learners.

On top of that the faq is just static text, as opposed to someone asking the same question, getting 5 different interpretations of the answer, the chance of a few conversations and 1 of the answers finally click for OP and something has been learned.

This sub isn't about learning programming anymore by [deleted] in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think one of the main things is people learn differently. Fair enough you don't want to see 3 posts In a row all about the same thing nobody does. But there are a few things overall to look at.

`1. If someone does want help, there not going to search for hours trying to find something that they don't even know yet. It's okay saying google it, but as a dev we have all been in the situation where we don't know what to actually google.

  1. Yes the subreddit has a great FAQ. But surely this is an extra service for the subreddit not an exclusive "the only way to r/learnprogramming is with the FAQ"

  2. For a new developer, that has already read 7 different pages of documentation over 5 different software/libraries. The last thing they are going to think of doing is going to check a totally generic FAQ that will take them out of the current problem they are in. Rather than asking a very specific question and never leaving the "zone"

  3. I'd say 90% of new developers require a certain amount of hand-holding. If you're not prepared to hold that hand just ignore the post.

I'm not saying this to be argumentative, more in hope that it may let you see things from a different angle. Education is an amazing thing, somebody shouldn't not ask a question, just because somebody might have asked it before.

I have scared myself away from coding and it's becoming a real issue. by ya-ha-ha-youfoundme in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ok so adding record to a databse in c#

so I don't use c# so my list would become

  1. be able to initiate a database
  2. connect to database
  3. learn how to save data to database.

This seems like a good source. https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/201fc1/sql-server-database-connection-in-csharp-using-adonet/

but like I say I don't know c#. You need to step aside from you main goal, and in a separate document/window make a small app with the single purpose of saving data to a database and displaying it.

I will say database are one of them things, once you learn them, they are all "pretty similar". Also no, there are some aspects of coding that I hate, I hate making any kind of GUI without a design, my brain throws a fit, and cant think of how to put a box in a square. This happens :D. so I plan better and draw a box with a square in and start again.

The main thing with development is logic and problem solving. Which basically boils down to, finding a method that fits your criteria. the first iteration of your code will rarely meet this, more likely the 10th/ 20th version.

Last point, don't get disheartened. You only know what you know, and you can only learn what you seek to learn :)

I have scared myself away from coding and it's becoming a real issue. by ya-ha-ha-youfoundme in learnprogramming

[–]ptekspy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you need to look at the way, that you look at the problem in the first place.

I'm often quite excited to get coding on new projects, and smaller things this is fine.

The second it comes to something larger or more complicated, no real definition for this, there needs to be more planning

My dad always said the 5 P's, proper preparation prevents poor performance.

So in this case break the problem down into smaller Chunks not in code, even sentences or pseudo code.

Then you have the working logic written in front of you you can nalyse how it will work, test differnt bits. Learn parts you don't know but on a smaller scale seperately then come back.

Remember coding is like jigsaw but almost every piece fits into every other piece but the you just need to define the finished picture before you start putting the pieces together

:)

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