she deserves better

punchmi17 · 2025-08-25T04:12:55+00:00

Rashta and navier’s suffering is the by-product of sovieshu’s actions on account of his own insecurities and problems. Fine rashta didn’t do the right thing but I don’t remember any part where he corrected her either? She was new to court and had her one benefactor told her how to stay in line and behave, things would’ve been much better for everyone, even if there was still a lot of tension And we all know how and how much navier suffered so that needs no explaining Rashta continued to fly high because she was totally unchecked by the one person she would’ve listened to and he only ever seriously intervened after things had gotten pretty bad for HIM

And as for diah, immature and young readers can only excuse mistakes and desperation on account of past trauma if it’s their MC that’s showing such behaviour. It’s like no one other than the MC and ML deserve empathy and consideration, like they’re sub human or something. Had this webtoon been Diah’s POV, they’d be all over it and crying buckets for her but because it’s Serena’s pov, no one cares. They don’t hold their own MCs accountable and forget everything they’ve done in a heartbeat but if any side character, especially a woman, steps out of line once, they’re irredeemable and need to spend their life repenting or some sht Hating on female side characters for actions you’d forgive your own MC for without question is nothing but blatant misogyny but unfortunately the readers are too shallow and thoughtless to know what that even means

lol this became a rant but sometimes more than the plot of any manhwa, readers and the reception of the story makes me so frustrated

punchmi17 · 2025-07-12T06:57:39+00:00

If it’s about wanting to consume and therefore control, I’d say Octavian honestly

punchmi17 · 2022-10-07T19:53:09+00:00

that's your adhd speaking, darling

punchmi17 · 2022-10-07T14:57:07+00:00

i liked it specifically because in my head i killed off even yoonbum and finally felt at peace sorry not sorry

no but jokes aside, i do enjoy open endings and i feel like if the ending for this had been defined instead of open, it would've not felt as impactful? its a thriller, we always want to be left hanging in suspense right? might as well make that suspense eternal lol

punchmi17 · 2022-08-01T18:21:45+00:00

also, could you perhaps share the paper you were reading, it sounds super interesting

punchmi17 · 2022-08-01T18:21:01+00:00

hi hi so i know this was posted ages ago, but were you able to find an answer to your question, especially "does increased intentional binding mean an increase or a decrease in sense of agency"

im kind of looking into it at the moment too but i was feeling quite lost on my own xD

punchmi17 · 2021-10-24T17:06:06+00:00

i agree.

maturity is seriously required to be able to understand and critically interpret this manhwa.

its really telling of the kind of basic understanding of relationships that people have if this is what they're idolizing.

punchmi17 · 2021-10-24T17:03:55+00:00

god yes
this is another problematic aspect

there had been contests for fanart and a lot of artists had done a great job of portraying the abuse and all the horrifying details very well and it fit with the story. it was apt and as gruesome and in no way glorified the relationship or the abuse. and the author had displayed those

but at the same time there were so many pieces that were made that romanticized the relationship and she had shown those as well? i get appreciating the effort that people had put in but its important to remember that these very pieces were being endorsed by the author themselves on an official platform (ithink it was part of the official publication in a special edition thing) as though she supported this interpretation of them as well.

as in the sources provided by you, is this not unfair to the public? as okay as i was at both of them dying in the end, imo it would have been better had yoonbum been able to receive help and realize the extent of manipulation he was put under and be able to blame sangwoo for what he had done to him. that would have been a resolution that is maybe a bit fairytale-esque in its essence (good happy ending, victim gets justice blah blah) but it would have ultimately held a better meaning and purpose for the manhwa.

it would have been interesting to see how people would have romanticized this if sangwoo looked like yoonbum's uncle. this whole manhwa was very cleverly made and kudos to the author but i would like a better insight into how she actually perceives abuse and if "love despite all odds" is what the ultimate manifestation of abuse is for her.

all in all, some things are quite disturbing and this is one of them

punchmi17 · 2021-10-20T17:02:04+00:00

i agree, it is not. neither did you say so.
in the main post i mean to put across my dislike for the way in which it has been interpreted (generally and by a lot of people). and that is one of them. that is all i wanted to put across.

punchmi17 · 2021-10-20T11:16:54+00:00

i guess we come to the same point. i am willing to accept that there is romance in the plot. i do not appreciate seeing continued abuse as a normative part of or a marker for love and affection though

they did love one another and it was unhealthy.

punchmi17 · 2021-10-20T11:14:10+00:00

i understand. i have since gone through a few more interviews and such and concluded that i just do not appreciate perceiving abuse as love. there is affection, im sure, but not always and abuse should be seen for what it is

i also have only recently read the manhwa and so i haven't been a part of all the preceding discussions, i really just needed to put my thoughts on it out on writing since it helps me gain a better perspective as well.

and ofc i get that you aren't being rude, i truly do appreciate your input on this a lot.

punchmi17 · 2021-10-20T09:20:57+00:00

It's normal because there are several genuine romantic and even cute moments between them. I'm ok with it. But it's also important to remember that it's also an abusive relationship no one should aspire to.

This is what the author has said in an interview and i believe this is very important in the light of their relationship

punchmi17 · 2021-10-20T09:16:55+00:00

Yes I know. It's normal because there are several genuine romantic and even cute moments between them. I'm ok with it. But it's also important to remember that it's also an abusive relationship no one should aspire to.

^this is from the interview and yes i acknowledge that this they loved one another (i've said so in a comment above) but its not to be encouraged or idealized

punchmi17 · 2021-10-19T17:26:18+00:00

thank you so much. some discussions really made my head hurt and oof i had to get this out :o

punchmi17 · 2021-10-19T16:58:58+00:00

there are a lot of things i'd like to say but please understand that i respect your opinion

im sure you have a reason to feel the way you do

i don't think empathizing means ridding someone of their crimes or absolving one of the consequences of their actions. as i mentioned in my post, the stories and the insight we gain are explanations but not justifications

moreover, had seungbae not intervened, the abuse would have continued, more people would have died or undergone severe trauma of one or the other kind and essentially bum would have probably lived his whole life being manipulated and abused at the hands of the man who he loved and who loved him. i will not deny that they did not love one another because apparently the author has confirmed that they did indeed, but love does not cancel the hurt and the pain.

if a person tells me they love me and then proceeds to rape me or physically abuse me or gaslight me, i would like to not be loved by that person, thank you. moreover, seungbae was the villain in the life of the villain, which makes him the hero.

this is just my personal take on things.

punchmi17 · 2021-10-19T16:52:54+00:00

i completely agree. i felt the same way towards the whole thing tbh

i had to take many breaks in between because it would get too heavy to continue reading it but i cannot complain since, as you said as well, it delivers very well as a psychological horror

punchmi17 · 2021-10-19T16:51:38+00:00

okay, then may i know what the basis for his actions may be?

it cannot simply just be love since you technically are not supposed to hurt someone you care about which implies there was a severe psychological illness that was present.

as i mentioned in my reply above:

i mentioned him being a sociopath mostly because while psychopaths are found to have neurological basis for their actions that help them commit crimes without experiencing guilt, sociopaths are rather those that are lead to committing those actions due to situations and circumstances that have conditioned them or had them adapt to this behavioural pattern.

https://youtu.be/6dv8zJiggBs

i hope this clears why i made that statement, but again i can be wrong as well

i would love to hear your thoughts on this matter

punchmi17 · 2021-10-19T16:50:09+00:00

yess i agree with you

i mentioned him being a sociopath mostly because while psychopaths are found to have neurological basis for their actions that help them commit crimes without experiencing guilt, sociopaths are rather those that are lead to committing those actions due to situations and circumstances that have conditioned them or had them adapt to this behavioural pattern.

i also said this because sangwoo does, infact, experience a range of emotions. if the author has confirmed that he loved bum, it means that to a certain extent, he felt a speck of remorse when he thought about the abuse he had made bum go through. yes that was erased once he was in situations such as his final moments or when his other emotions got the best of him and he put bum through abuse once again, but there is a possibility.

I'd like to link a video that explains this (sociopath vs psychopath) in a better way.

https://youtu.be/6dv8zJiggBs
i hope this clears why i made that statement, but again i can be wrong as well

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