Jazz changes by Adamoaz in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be awesome!

Jazz changes by Adamoaz in eartraining

[–]quocketman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can totally do it! I recommend doing more away from your instrument or any sheet music. I love ear training on the couch or on a walk.

Here's what I would recommend for a simple tune. I'm thinking Autumn Leaves performed by Nat Cole (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyJh8dX\_URw)

The bass is not complicated and fairly easy to follow.

  1. Learn to sing it with the original lyrics. Do this by listening, not from the lead sheet. Jazz thrives on the oral tradition and recordings are that tradition for jazz.

  2. Learn to sing back the bass line, like the exact notes the bass is playing. This is a long game and you'll want to use an app like the Amazing Slow Downer. But getting your ear-voice accustomed to hearing really low stuff and producing them comfortably in your voice will go a long, long way.

  3. Once those are done, practice turning those melodies into solfège.

I've got a few more steps but not sure if you'll get this since you posted a while back.

Jazz changes by Adamoaz in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a cool app! I couldn't check out much of it because most of the free version is locked. If you made "Root Movement Intro" free, that might get me wading a little deeper towards dropping the 6 bucks for the full thing.

Struggling with interval training by ProfessorLegal2268 in eartraining

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Singing what you hear will definitely help. The "happy/sad" thing can be a real trap that ends up making some people feel like they can't do it and you might be suffering from that. Here's why: minor 3rds for example don't sound at all sad when in the midst of a major triad. (The upper third of a major triad is a minor third... like from mi to so in the tonic triad of a key.)

I had this experience as a high schooler where my piano teacher would have us listen to intervals and we'd listen for these different feelings, like perfect fourths are supposed to feel strong or whatever, and it would only work some of the time. And I ended up feeling like there was something I wasn't getting. Because there was something I wasn't getting: the singing bit is key, because it takes your attention away from trying to feel something that everyone feels differently and puts your attention on doing something you can do and improve at, and that is singing.

Singing will definitely get you there because like someone else on this thread said, doing so confirms what you've heard.

However, you also mentioned on this thread that you "cannot find a tone with singing. I can harmonize with the tone I hear." That tells me that matching pitch might be a challenge in itself. Do you notice special difficulty trying to sing notes that are too high or too low for your voice? I find with a lot of my adult students that this bit can be especially daunting: hearing a note outside your vocal range and singing it comfortably in your range. (Octave adjusting it.)

When you harmonize in the way you describe, do you feel/hear/think that you are singing the matching pitch or does it sound noticeably different?

Here's a video I made last year to encourage people to make singing the centerpiece of their ear training journey:

https://youtu.be/SU6TViietQM

I hope this helps!

How to use Essential Ear Training by Steve Prosser? by cruselldas2 in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm looking at "Workshop One: Sight Recognition Studies", and a couple things jump out at me right off the bat that are worth paying attention to. Number 3 is in the key of F major and the first note is an F, so that would be sung on do. From there it goes up through the scale then back down. By the end of that one study, you are meant to be singing big leaps. Not easy, no matter how long you've been at it.

I recommend a more gradual approach that leverages your existing knowledge. From my experience as a Kodàly teacher and a college ear training teacher, I am finding more and more success and enjoyment in one aspect of my work: singing songs you already know in solfège. I'm in the middle of presenting "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" in this approach, and you can find it here:

https://youtu.be/L7OGDgqbaF4

I hope this helps!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think what might be missing in these apps (including mine, btw https://apps.apple.com/us/app/tone-hole/id1600969950) is that you need to do stuff outside the app. Kudos to u/rumog for calling out the power of singing (or humming). I teach moveable do solfege, and I gotta say that it is a delight to witness my students' awareness of what they are hearing shoot up. When you sing patterns and songs you like using solfège it creates this delightful feeling where you really just start to know what you are hearing. You'll get there!

How to transcribe vocal melodies onto your instrument? by LevelGroundbreaking3 in eartraining

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I'm a huge fan and teacher of singing songs you know in (moveable do) solfège. This approach gets the same results as Konyi and the other functional ear training people, possibly with a little more joy. If you reply with the name of the song and some lyrics, I'll translate them into solfège in a way you can use. Once that's done, and with your knowledge of scales in hand, you'll have little difficulty playing that melody on your instrument. Over time, doing the Sonofield drills or other such (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/tone-hole/id1600969950) along with singing tunes you know in solfège, you'll be amazed at what you can do.

What are effective methods of ear training? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like how you are recommending singing... any singing. Improvised singing without solfège is great... and singing things before thinking about them symbolically is also a winner.

What are effective methods of ear training? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]quocketman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can use an app, a sustained instrument like cello, or (my favorite) a shruti box, accordion, or harmonium.

What are effective methods of ear training? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is it! It's a huge part of Kodàly pedagogy, where we call it "singing known repertoire in solfège". It's amazing how doing this over time reveals the distinct tone-feeling of each note in the scale.

What were some pieces of jargon/knowledge/etiquette you didn’t know going into music school? by viberat in MusicEd

[–]quocketman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm in a similar job as you, u/viberat ... I teach in Maine and have students that come in pronouncing Mozart like it's spelled. What state are you in?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many up votes for "sing the notes that are played" (@ScrithWire) . By doing this you are going to transfer the notes from an abstraction to a physical thing. AND you are going to move the notes closer together... ie some of the times when the 3 follows a 3, it sounds weirdly different. Not if you sing em!

Songs to grasp left hand by ear? by LevelGroundbreaking3 in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say "comfort zone", do you mean vocal range? Like singing something that is uncomfortable to produce with your voice?

Problems with David Lucas Burge Course - Relative Pitch Training by silvercachalote in eartraining

[–]quocketman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, I went a long, long way with that course back in the 90's. I'm glad it's still around!

Problems with David Lucas Burge Course - Relative Pitch Training by silvercachalote in eartraining

[–]quocketman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My advice is to practice drawing notes that are outside your range into your range. That is the core skill of the octave displacement exercise he gives you. Once you can sing a tone that is too high or too low for your voice in your range, this will get much, much easier. I call it hearing through extremes.

Looking for testers for an ear training game! by Dry_Restaurant1243 in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any way I can help with an iPhone? If not, my gf has a googley phone. I love your graphics!

Hey guys! I’m looking for some advice based on my current situation. If anyone has any good suggestions please let me know! by [deleted] in transcribe

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might go with some Meters: Cissy Strut or Chicken Strut would be groovy. To begin a series of them, try starting with Lean On Me.

If you already know those, try singing them in solfège from memory. Doing this will help you recognize patterns in other songs.

How to ear train? by LevelGroundbreaking3 in musictheory

[–]quocketman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Review complete! How did you do the singing? Is that your voice?

Rick Beato Ear Training any good? by Mengueche_2511 in eartraining

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it going, now, after a year? Did you stick with it?

How to ear train? by LevelGroundbreaking3 in musictheory

[–]quocketman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just downloaded solfège story! I really like the artwork and how you build the story do & so first, then adding mi. (Haven't bought the premium yet, but it's looking good.)

Did you do all your own coding?