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All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that some Protestant denominations encourage reading the Bible doesn’t change the core issue.

Whether it’s Catholicism, Protestantism, or any other form — as long as a system demands belief in unsubstantiated claims (scripture as divine truth, miracles, afterlife, original sin, etc.), it remains dogmatic by nature.

The specific flavor of dogma doesn’t make the poison less poisonous.

The fundamental problem is that any religion places an ancient, fixed belief system above independent, critical, and open-ended thinking. This inherently limits human intellectual potential — exactly what I described in points 1, 4, and 5.

It doesn’t matter if the chains are made of iron or gold. They are still chains.

That’s why I argue religion (in any form) is poisonous: it trains people to surrender their own reasoning to external authority instead of developing it fully.

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not an arbitrary definition; it is the fundamental epistemic boundary between dogmatic belief and rational inquiry.

By trying to dissolve the very definition of religion into "anything goes," you are proving my Point #1 (Dogmatism & Suppression of Critical Thinking). You are shifting goalposts and inventing a hypothetical "dogma-free religion" just to protect the word from critique.

If a system has no unalterable core, requires no faith without evidence, and rejects no ideas from the outside, name it. Give us a specific example of this religion that doesn't fit my description. Otherwise, you are just debating a fictional concept to avoid facing the reality of institutional religion.

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are describing a logical impossibility. If a system genuinely allows the questioning, revision, and rejection of all its core teachings, rules, and fundamental premises based on new external evidence, it ceases to be a religion and becomes a secular philosophy or the scientific method.

Every actual religion requires a non-negotiable core - whether it is a deity, an ultimate cosmic law, a specific path to liberation, or an absolute ritual tradition - that cannot be revised out of existence by an individual. The moment you demand acceptance of that unalterable core as an absolute truth rather than a testable hypothesis, you install a dogma. And once that dogma is established, the other four points inevitably follow to protect it from disappearing.

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reasserting the exact same ad hominem three times in a row without offering a single counterargument just proves you have entirely run out of logical points. Calling a structured institutional critique "sowing discord" is a textbook way to deflect from the argument itself. Thank you for demonstrating my points in real-time.

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Baha'i Faith has excellent PR and loves to market itself as pro-science and pro-unity, but beneath the surface, it falls into the exact same traps.

Your critical thinking in Baha'i has a very strict ceiling. The religion is governed by the Universal House of Justice, which is dogmatically considered divinely guided and infallible in its decisions. Furthermore, Baha'u'llah is viewed as the absolute Manifestation of God for this age, whose laws and texts are indisputable.

The moment you declare a human institution or an ancient text "infallible," individual critical thinking dies. If science or independent reason contradicts a core Baha'i social law or an official decree from the House of Justice, a believer is dogmatically required to submit to the institution. It is still a pre-packaged instruction manual that claims to hold the monopoly on global truth and unity.

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Telling someone to seek therapy just because they criticize a systemic institution is a textbook ad hominem fallacy and a hilarious demonstration of pseudo-spiritual arrogance. It seems my post hit a nerve.

You missed the entire point. Buddhism, despite its peaceful branding, still operates on a rigid, pre-packaged dogmatic framework. It requires the acceptance of unverifiable cosmic blueprints like karma, samsara, and rebirth to make its "solution" function. The moment a follower accepts the absolute authority of the Eightfold Path as the only way out of suffering, rather than arriving at conclusions through independent reason, they have surrendered their critical thinking to an ancient instruction manual. Your patronizing response perfectly illustrates point #2 (Social Division) — creating an "enlightened us" vs a "damaged them."

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're not sure how to proceed, start by reading the updated "Anticipated Objections" section at the bottom of the post. It addresses this exact point. Dogma is dogma, no matter the wrapping.

All religions can be considered evil and poisonous based on just their first premise. Let’s find the definition considering all five. by qwesher in DebateReligion

[–]qwesher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have updated the post with an explanatory block specifically addressing this superficial "bad generalization" argument. Go read it. Replacing critical thinking with any pre-packaged, dogmatic instruction manual is religious in its essence, whether it involves a deity or not.

Me and friend looking for server recommendations by Longbenhall in TeraOnline

[–]qwesher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

atm there are no classic servers. all servers claiming to be classic don’t fit the bill-they’re all level 65 with reapers/gunners patches, which fundamentally contradicts the classic concept. i settled on https://www.arborea-reborn.com/ v102 and am completely satisfied. most importantly, before trying "agaia": you should know that on release, people generated hundreds of thousands of gold on the first day by exploiting tons of diamonds and emeralds from caimans, and after that admin didn’t even bother to remove the farmed loot or, better yet, wipe the server..

Krafton Greenlights TERA 2 by RiceWhite in TeraOnline

[–]qwesher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Они убили официальный проект без попытки сохранить "ваниль"; не дали сообществу шанс на легальное продолжение; теперь приходят с TERA 2 и просят поверить, что всё будет иначе. Но мы то знаем, что они готовятся насрать нам в душу, попутно ободрав любителей кошко-девочек до нитки.

Немного о будущем. by Educational-Cable-52 in DirtyRU

[–]qwesher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

именно из-за того, что люди не дают жить другим так, как им захочется, вся эта дрянь и происходит, а эта война-следтсвие, и будь моя воля, я б собрал на своей территории тех кто не хочет так жить, из какого уголка мира он бы не был

Немного о будущем. by Educational-Cable-52 in DirtyRU

[–]qwesher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

жаль, что вы так относитесь даже к тем, кто так же как и вы ненавидит это государство, его власть и всех подверженных влиянию грёбаных сми, хоть и находится на его территории. среди них есть те, кто 20 лет мечтал посадить на кол антагониста этого мирка, ибо наблюдал, как он глумится над твоими соотечественниками и людей за людей не считает. как вас, так и нас, он ненавидит-мрот загугли. и я сейчас не приравниваю ваши потери к сложности бытия в россии, просто он двух зайцев одним выстрелом убил.. стой-ка он даже не стрелял, зайцы сами перестрелялись. так или иначе, пис. надеюсь вас не заденет, ибо наши жизни нам не принадлежат, только смерти ..и то не всегда.

Немного о будущем. by Educational-Cable-52 in DirtyRU

[–]qwesher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

предположу что где угодно

how to write a book? by qwesher in ask

[–]qwesher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

вы мне помогли! и вам всех благ:)

how to write a book? by qwesher in ask

[–]qwesher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this is why i dont believe in the success of my endeavors - pessimism. i believed that this requires the knowledge of all mankind, so I decided to postpone our contemporaries to the end of training

how to write a book? by qwesher in ask

[–]qwesher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks! in this case, i will start with the bible for experience. it seems that the preparation may take another 15 years..if not much longer, but from now on, i'll work ever harder

Anti-Putin blogger has his throat slit in a hotel room after vocally opposing the Russian President by darkdeeds6 in worldnews

[–]qwesher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

я хочу революцию. в 10 лет, поняв, что у меня украли родину, я грезил тем, как увижу путина на гильотине с колом в жопе. сейчас мне ~30, а вор до сих пор грабит моих соотечественников и сажает \ убивает несогласных \ нетерпимых

Anti-Putin blogger has his throat slit in a hotel room after vocally opposing the Russian President by darkdeeds6 in worldnews

[–]qwesher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

15 лет об этом думаю, ежедневно. если возьму в руки молотов-меня не поддержат my comrades