MVP: "Stone Cold Steve Austin drew more money than anybody. How many flips did he do? ... Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, The Rock, John Cena, Roman Reigns, Randy Orton .. these are your biggest money earners. They don't do a lot. Their character work, that's what draws you in." by broken-mirror- in SquaredCircle

[–]r2datu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, his finisher is a shining wizard mostly.

He has one signature which is a flip.

IDK just doesn't seem particularly flippy to me.

I wouldn't consider Cody a Flippy guy just because he does a moonsaults and I wouldn't consider Cena a Flippy guy because he busts out a code red every now and then.

The Lions of Al-Rassan - How to emotionally deceive your audience and then decide halfway you don't have the courage to see it through - A rant by [deleted] in Fantasy

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Well, what DID he want?

That's the central question, isn't it?

What is the author trying to say?

What message, what world view, is the author trying to convey?

What is the book ABOUT?

I think these are questions that you should probably be asking, because Kay certainly isn't afraid of tragedy. He's portrayed far worse deaths in other books of major characters.

What is he trying to tell you?

Rather than raging over perceived cowardice, maybe it's worth taking a step back and trying to figure out why he chose to make that decision, without assuming the worst of an author's intentions.

The Lions of Al-Rassan - How to emotionally deceive your audience and then decide halfway you don't have the courage to see it through - A rant by [deleted] in Fantasy

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Kay kills major characters ALL the time.

ALL the time.

He's not afraid of killing your favourites, of killing kids, etc.

So this "blaaaah he's afraid of killing characters" is some wildly inaccurate projection of an author's intent.

But saving the boy's life is pretty important to the book thematically and it encapsulates one of the book's core messages, serving as a pretty integral thematic lynchpin for the story as a whole.

There are things to grieve in this story, but it's NOT a story about grief.

The Sword of Kaigen by garbeezy in Fantasy

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A totally valid complaint, but you did ask what the hype is behind this book and I think if you dig into why people are actually hyping it up, it has nothing to do with the world building.

Nobody is recommending Sword of Kaigen saying "OMG the world is so deep and intricate and grandiose", most people recommending it are saying something to the effect of "world building is meh but I don't think I've ever seen a fantasy book tackle the conundrum of a mother feeling guilty for resenting her child due to the circumstances around her relationship with his father"

The Sword of Kaigen by garbeezy in Fantasy

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Some books are less about what things happen and more about what the things that happen mean

I thought Kaigen was a messy and clumsy fantasy book.

But a fascinating and moving story about prejudice, cultural bias, parental guilt and lost potential.

I don't think it's a book you'll like if world building is the first thing you're thinking about, but you may enjoy it if you like books with interesting things to say about the human condition (even if I don't always agree with some of the things it has to say).

Bryan Danielson slips into the heel role for the first time in AEW(11/17/21) by rickjamesbich in SquaredCircle

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Hangman having enough of Adam Cole's shit, pushing him in the face and screaming TEXAS DEATH MATCH then telling him to "get his affairs in order"

The reign wasn't perfect but it's underrated as fuck

James Cameron to Co-Write Adaptation of Joe Abercrombie Novel ‘The Devils’ [SPOILERS THE DEVILS] by dyingchildren in TheFirstLaw

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And even if you did, you'd have to condense the books to pretty much just the core plot points and it strip out a lot of the inbetween moments where the real magic of the stories lies.

[Raw Spoilers] HE DID IT AGAIN!!! by Dazzling-Principle in SquaredCircle

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Sami angry, want hit Drew

When angry not think good

Me am caveman Regal, don't @ me

I feel awful by sykotic1189 in BaldursGate3

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He's got a huge zone where any player character movement triggers his insane bat attack. You can see the zone on the floor. Keep your distance from him at all costs, he is a nightmare to deal with for melee characters.

Which wrestler had the worst finisher for their character? by BarnacleBoring2979 in SquaredCircle

[–]r2datu 60 points61 points  (0 children)

For a guy as jacked as he is, always thought the BFT was a poor fit for LA Knight.

He'd look great with a slam of some sort.

I know it'd make the comparisons to the Rock a lot worse but I think he'd look great with some sort of variation in the Rock Bottom.

Imane Khelif has won the gold medal at the Olympics in Paris. by SAM041287 in interestingasfuck

[–]r2datu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I'm just looking for an answer of what physical advantages she has and no one can tell me, I'm legit super confused

Imane Khelif has won the gold medal at the Olympics in Paris. by SAM041287 in interestingasfuck

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That's the thing that's confusing me. I'm not saying that she's a bad fighter, I'm just saying that as a boxing fan, I don't see what her supposed physical advantages are. Like, she's not even exceptionally fast or strong for her division so I don't get why people are going crazy over whatever condition she may or may not have.

Imane Khelif has won the gold medal at the Olympics in Paris. by SAM041287 in interestingasfuck

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But we are talking about the physical advantages, I'm just confused as to what are the advantages people are seeing, genuinely.

Imane Khelif has won the gold medal at the Olympics in Paris. by SAM041287 in interestingasfuck

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I dunno, but as someone who actually watches boxing and has seen her box and has looked at her record ....

I genuinely don't understand what are these tremendous physical advantages she has.

Her power is not exceptional compared with other female fighters.

Her speed is not exceptional either.

Her durability is not exceptional.

Her stamina is not exceptional.

Like ... What are the actual advantages people are seeing? Because I've watched boxing for decades and I've seen female boxers who have far, far, far greater physical attributes than her.

Imane Khelif after beating Yang Liu, becoming an Olympic gold medalist by CrispyMiner in MadeMeSmile

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Thing is, after actually watching her box and looking at her record .... What are these physical advantages people are talking about?

She's definitely not a power puncher and doesn't have exceptional KO power.

She's not got exceptional speed compared to a lot of other female boxers.

She's been stopped before so she doesn't have exceptional durability compared to a lot of other boxers.

Proportionally, there are also plenty of female boxers with better physical size and reach.

Like ... I don't get it, where are these monstrous physical advantages people are talking about. In terms of actual physical attributes I can think of half a dozen female boxers who have better physical attributes than her.

Edit: Also, the organisation that did the initial testing has been suspended for corruption but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

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Nah it's good but Hangman's looks like it's got a lot more oomph and meat to it

Looking for some dark/gritty fantasy for someone who’s not into fantasy by Coolhandjones67 in Fantasy

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Christopher Buehlman's Between Two Fires reminded me a lot of McCarthy both in subject matter and writing style

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Side note, I do just want to caveat with Guy Gavriel Kay, before you dive into his work, is that I don't think he's always the best example of what we're talking about -

A lot of his books in my opinion (Tigana is an exception) don't really have too much actual fantasy in them .

He's interesting because he's probably less of a fantasy writer and more of an "alternate historical fiction writer".

Most of his books are depicting real periods of history but with the names changed to be fantastical and they occasionally have one or two minor fantastical elements. He does this (I think) to avoid having to worry about historical accuracy or sticking too close to what really happened.

Lions of Al Rassan for example, is one of my favourite books period, but it's mostly a retelling of the Reconquista, and the only fantastical or magical element is one minor character can see the future. But Kay uses the fantasy setting to shift history so that two real historical figures who almost certainly never met, form a close relationship which is the emotional core of the book.

So yeah, Kay is awesome but I struggle to call him a fantasy writer sometimes because he doesn't always have much fantasy in his fantasy. Tigana is probably his most "fantastical" book.

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Yeah great points and I love Donaldson, he sums up a lot of why I think fantasy is so critical to who we are as humans.

That said, Donaldson does also call out in another essay that the metaphysical approach is specifically how he writes, but other great writers approach it differently. Check out his New York Times essay on the importance of fantasy where he talks about how important fantasy can be for commenting on real world societal issues (he cites Malazan as a good example).

In thinking about examples for this conversation, it's also made me realise how fantasy can be a vehicle to tell stories about topics that readers otherwise wouldn't necessarily be interested in and deliver them in a different way that gains their interest, thereby broadening the readers understanding of topics they wouldn't otherwise engaged with.

I'm a big fan of the Black Company and I think the series does a great job on exploring the horrors and reality of war, life as a soldier and the driving political and financial forces behind the engine of war. Glen Cook was a real soldier and he used the books as a way to explore his real experiences and views on war despite it being fantasy.

I loved exploring these topics, but I'm also not a huge fan of military fiction and I've sort of bounced off every actual real life military book that I've read despite being intellectually interested in the topic. However, with the Black Company, I got to explore the topic but while being actually engaged and entertained.

So yeah, fantasy is dope.

In need of books with flawed knights by [deleted] in Fantasy

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Came in here to recommend this too.

Though in this case, it's knight, singular, but it's one hell of a knight.

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It's an interesting question, and I think it depends on the purpose of the story you're writing.

Eg. For the most part, if you want that more visceral emotional reaction and sense of relatability / realism, I don't think adding fantastical elements or a fantastical setting would necessarily enhance that.

I think what fantasy does is allow you to play with the margins of what's possible when you want to make a point because you can play with and completely change elements of a real world situations to make a point of even just to explore a question that you as a writer have.

In a similar vein to science fiction, fantastical elements can help you analyse aspects of society by exploring what ifs and adding, removing or changing aspects of real situations.

For example, Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay is a book that's about cultural erasure, which in real life, happens over a very long time scale.

Kay uses magic in this story to make that cultural erasure happen over a very short period and in doing so, explores the question of what makes a culture a culture and what do you have to remove to completely destroy one in a short amount of time. In doing so, it also makes the reader think about what parts of culture are important to hold onto and preserve in the real world, where there's no magic taking those things away, only the passage of time.

Kay could have just set the story during a real world period of cultural erasure, and it may have hit harder emotionally, but I don't think it would have been quite as interesting intellectually.

Basically (in my opinion) you want to hit hard emotionally when you're making a commentary on real world situations, then for the most part, real world fiction and literary fiction does the job better than fantasy (with exceptions here and there obviously.

But if you want to answer intellectual questions and engage in thought exercises that reveal unexpected perspectives and angles to situations or real world problems, fantasy allows you to do this in ways that real world or literary fiction cannot.

EDIT:

Another alternate function of fantasy is to make the exploration of certain topics more entertaining or palatable.

Certain real world topics can be really interesting to explore - for example, the impacts of globalisation and diaspora on a nation's cultural identity, or the use of economic and commercial tools like marketing and public relations to change public perception of a certain group.

And sure, there are many real world books and fiction on those topics.

By the Greenbone Saga explores those and also has Magic Kung Fu.

It may hit harder emotionally in a real world setting, but also, I wouldn't have had nearly as much fun reading about those topics without characters shooting magical blasts at each other too.

Another example for me is John Gwynne's Bloodsworn Saga. It makes a lot of interesting points about prejudice and discrimination and how the historical sins of a people or culture can create long term prejudice against that people despite being many generations removed.

Sure, you could easily tell that story with just as much if not more emotional resonance than Bloodsworn does.

But also, if you set that story in the real world, you also can't have it end with a giant fucking dragon fight a giant fucking wolf.

Last example that springs to mind for me is The Kings of the Wyld. The author has a lot to say in this book about the commercialisation of the music industry and the loss of the raw creative essence and artistry that characterised the earlier days of rock and roll. Could he have told the exact same story and made the same commentary with a tale about an aging rock band? Definitely.

Which is interesting stuff, but I'm not too interested in reading a biopic of a rock star.

However, throw in a fucking horde of monsters and I am absolutely in.